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#580903 - 12/14/10 10:34 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
Paul W. Sondersted, Jr. Offline
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Ceci drew his information from Byrne's own accounts. Yes. He filtered out...


And filter out!

Poor Ceci is full of itshay & very delusional. However, it comes as no surprise that you agree with his delusions.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Even if I'd never heard of Byrne's reputation, just reading through his own FAQ section would trigger the ol' spider-sense that this guy's stories sound just a little too similar and a little too loaded.


Then you would be wrong to jump to such a conclusion. By no means should anyone's own very obvious bias be taken at face value, but at the same time their version of events should also not be automatically dismissed.


Since all of these stories follows the same exact pattern of...

1. Byrne, the noble creative artist, wants to act only in the interest of his fans and the beloved characters he is writing/ illustrating.

2. Petty megalomaniacal forces intervene. Usually some type of "double cross" is involved.

3. Byrne quits.

At some point, as others have pointed out, one has to look inward and consider, "Maybe it's me!"

To look at nine or ten of these incidents and say, "Aw Man. That poor Byrne sure has rotten luck" is pretty naive.


You (& other delusional fools) see patterns with JB leaving certain projects & therein lies the idiocy. The only link in the chain is JB's leave-taking, the other patterns, while some have similarities, are the exaggerated fabrications of a few moronic personalities.

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#580905 - 12/14/10 10:39 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Bendrix]
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Originally Posted By: Bendrix
Originally Posted By: Alexander Ness
Maybe he prefers everyone talked nicely about him.


Then maybe he should talk nicely about others.


So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?

Or is it just more fun to shine the spotlight on the negative?

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#580906 - 12/14/10 10:53 AM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
Ceci n'est pas une chaussette Offline
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Poor Ceci is full of itshay & very delusional. However, it comes as no surprise that you agree with his delusions.


Of course, Paul is unable to point to any information that contradicts my summary. But this will not stop him from talking about how full of "itshay" I am.

To other people, of course. He is ignoring me, you see.

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You (& other delusional fools) see patterns with JB leaving certain projects & therein lies the idiocy. The only link in the chain is JB's leave-taking, the other patterns, while some have similarities, are the exaggerated fabrications of a few moronic personalities.


Uh... Paul? This is exactly what I said. The only constant in these situations is John Byrne.

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So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?


How well a man acts towards people he is already inclined to treat well tells you nothing about him. How he acts towards people he is inclined to treat poorly tells you a great deal.
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#580907 - 12/14/10 12:39 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Bendrix
Originally Posted By: Alexander Ness
Maybe he prefers everyone talked nicely about him.


Then maybe he should talk nicely about others.


So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?



It does. That's the nature of the beast.

And "relatively few" to what? Relatively to other comic creators? Not even close. Relatively to most people? Not even that. Which is the whole point.


Edited by Bendrix (12/14/10 12:41 PM)

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#580913 - 12/14/10 02:36 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Bendrix]
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Originally Posted By: Bendrix
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Bendrix
[quote=Alexander Ness]Maybe he prefers everyone talked nicely about him.


Then maybe he should talk nicely about others.


So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?


Originally Posted By: Bendrix
It does. That's the nature of the beast.


So in your estimation, bad outweighs good? Please tell me I'm getting this wrong.

Originally Posted By: Bendrix
And "relatively few" to what? Relatively to other comic creators? Not even close. Relatively to most people? Not even that. Which is the whole point.


Will the words comparatively speaking help? Of course, if the bad outweighs good delusion is at the forefront of your forehead, then nothing will help.

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#580914 - 12/14/10 02:37 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.


Poor Ceci is full of itshay & very delusional.


Ceci didn't fabricate any information in his post at all. He simply listed times Byrne has quit jobs along with the very reasons Byrne himself has offered for leaving those jobs.


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne


Since all of these stories follows the same exact pattern of...

1. Byrne, the noble creative artist, wants to act only in the interest of his fans and the beloved characters he is writing/ illustrating.

2. Petty megalomaniacal forces intervene. Usually some type of "double cross" is involved.

3. Byrne quits.

At some point, as others have pointed out, one has to look inward and consider, "Maybe it's me!"

To look at nine or ten of these incidents and say, "Aw Man. That poor Byrne sure has rotten luck" is pretty naive.


You (& other delusional fools) see patterns with JB leaving certain projects & therein lies the idiocy.


The patterns are right there in Byrne's own words. You may not like them but there they are. The pattern I described above could be an outline for just about every one of Byrne's own stories detailing how and why he quit the jobs that he did.

It's hard to negate that Byrne has abruptly quit a more than a few gigs. This is fact. Byrne however seems to be of the philosophy that he quit a lot a jobs, but because he feels he had a good reason for doing so, it shouldn't be said that he quits a lot of jobs.

Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

The only link in the chain is JB's leave-taking...


And yet you still seem unwilling to consider that maybe its Byrne who's got the problem.
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#580915 - 12/14/10 02:42 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Bendrix
Originally Posted By: Alexander Ness
Maybe he prefers everyone talked nicely about him.


Then maybe he should talk nicely about others.


So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?


Yes... especially in Byrne's case where likes to lambaste people with such flourish.

He may have said a million times that poor Jean Francois has nice hair but that one time that he told Jean Francois that his Halloween costume was shitting all over Will Eisner's grave is definitely going to outweigh the compliments.

You can have a very loving, affectionate husband but if once a month he gets drunk and beats up his wife, guess what's going to define the marriage?
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#580916 - 12/14/10 04:45 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Bendrix
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
[quote=Bendrix][quote=Alexander Ness]Maybe he prefers everyone talked nicely about him.


Then maybe he should talk nicely about others.


So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?


Originally Posted By: Bendrix
It does. That's the nature of the beast.


So in your estimation, bad outweighs good? Please tell me I'm getting this wrong.

Originally Posted By: Bendrix
And "relatively few" to what? Relatively to other comic creators? Not even close. Relatively to most people? Not even that. Which is the whole point.


Will the words comparatively speaking help? Of course, if the bad outweighs good delusion is at the forefront of your forehead, then nothing will help. [/quote]

This is completely ridiculous and I refuse to even try to correct you because you are the one that's delusional.

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#580920 - 12/14/10 05:57 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Bendrix]
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Anyway, it's a big day tomorrow with the issue 31 of Next Men out. Will it be any good? Will the hordes of detractors be won over by Bryne's art and storytelling?

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#580922 - 12/14/10 06:55 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: shjonescrk]
Nordberg Offline
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Registered: 04/18/10
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Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
Anyway, it's a big day tomorrow with the issue 31 of Next Men out. Will it be any good? Will the hordes of detractors be won over by Bryne's art and storytelling?


The preview art so far is much better than I was expecting, and miles better than the art in the original series. Byrne seems to be putting a lot of effort into this one. The last one looked like he hacked it out with ink and frayed twig.

The story, on the other hand, jury's still out.

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