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#580923 - 12/14/10 07:41 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Nordberg]
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Different colorist too. I'll observe Uatu style on this. Feel free to post links to reviews of it here. Things I'm curious about:
Will he bring back A Flame about this high? Or a letters column?
I think he should come out and say that there is a definite ending. Whenever he says something like "I had a bunch of stories to tell" ala Hidden Years, makes it less appealing. In other words churn out stories until whenever.
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#580927 - 12/14/10 07:52 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.


Poor Ceci is full of itshay & very delusional.


Ceci didn't fabricate any information in his post at all. He simply listed times Byrne has quit jobs along with the very reasons Byrne himself has offered for leaving those jobs.


I wasn't implying that Poor Ceci fabricated all of the accounts mentioned in his post. Read the words again.

The fabrications that I'm talking about are in the exaggerations used to describe some of the accounts or the lack of a description.

While it would appear that a few Detractors™ are trying to make everything out to be a simple black & white issue, there is far more involved than trying to paint JB as a quitter just because it is public knowledge that there were a few titles that JB abruptly stopped working on.

Whatever the stories may be, each case is different (although, as I mention, some have similarities) & while it is certainly easier (especially for most Detractors™) to blanket everything together as simply quitting, there is more to it than what certain Detractors™ are trying to depict.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Since all of these stories follows the same exact pattern of...


That's what you WANT to believe, but it is inherently untrue, as I say above. There is no EXACT pattern at all. And your easily predictable use of exaggeration proves this.

1. Byrne, the noble creative artist, wants to act only in the interest of his fans and the beloved characters he is writing/ illustrating.

2. Petty megalomaniacal forces intervene. Usually some type of "double cross" is involved.

3. Byrne quits.

At some point, as others have pointed out, one has to look inward and consider, "Maybe it's me!"

To look at nine or ten of these incidents and say, "Aw Man. That poor Byrne sure has rotten luck" is pretty naive.


You (& other delusional fools) see patterns with JB leaving certain projects & therein lies the idiocy.


Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
The patterns are right there in Byrne's own words. You may not like them but there they are. The pattern I described above could be an outline for just about every one of Byrne's own stories detailing how and why he quit the jobs that he did.


See above.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
It's hard to negate that Byrne has abruptly quit a more than a few gigs. This is fact. Byrne however seems to be of the philosophy that he quit a lot a jobs, but because he feels he had a good reason for doing so, it shouldn't be said that he quits a lot of jobs.


Nobody is trying to negate anything...at least not purposefully so.

There is no question about the quitting part. It's those that are trying to make it seem as though some (or in extremely idiotic cases, all) are a bad thing.

Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.

The only link in the chain is JB's leave-taking...


And yet you still seem unwilling to consider that maybe its Byrne who's got the problem.


While I certainly don't agree with all of JB's reasons for quitting certain projects, I don't see it as any sort of problem.

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#580928 - 12/14/10 07:57 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Troy Lightbourne
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
Originally Posted By: Bendrix
[quote=Alexander Ness]Maybe he prefers everyone talked nicely about him.


Then maybe he should talk nicely about others.


So the relatively few times that JB has lambasted someone (whether deserved or not) outweighs the countless times that JB has, indeed, talked nicely about others?


Yes... especially in Byrne's case where likes to lambaste people with such flourish.

He may have said a million times that poor Jean Francois has nice hair but that one time that he told Jean Francois that his Halloween costume was shitting all over Will Eisner's grave is definitely going to outweigh the compliments.

You can have a very loving, affectionate husband but if once a month he gets drunk and beats up his wife, guess what's going to define the marriage?[/quote]

LOL! Yet more extreme exaggerations used to TRY to prove how wicked & evil JB is.

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#580929 - 12/14/10 08:12 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Bendrix]
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Originally Posted By: Bendrix
This is completely ridiculous and I refuse to even try to correct you because you are the one that's delusional.


Thanks for the predictable "I know you are, but what am I" reply, Pee Wee.

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#580931 - 12/14/10 08:26 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Budman]
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Originally Posted By: Budman
Will he bring back A Flame about this high? Or a letters column?


I can't recall JB's exact words when he was asked this very question over at the JBF, but his response amounted to, "Isn't that already what the JBF is doing?"

Originally Posted By: Budman
I think he should come out and say that there is a definite ending. Whenever he says something like "I had a bunch of stories to tell" ala Hidden Years, makes it less appealing. In other words churn out stories until whenever.


I believe that JB did mention there is a definite ending. In fact, I also believe that even though in the past he mentioned the series possibly lasting 50 issues, he's hinted lately that the story may not take as long to tell as he originally anticipated.

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#580937 - 12/14/10 11:54 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
The only link in the chain is JB's leave-taking...

...of his professionalism.
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#580961 - 12/15/10 12:11 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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In which particular instance(s)?

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#580962 - 12/15/10 12:59 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
The fabrications that I'm talking about are in the exaggerations used to describe some of the accounts or the lack of a description.


In the entire list, only one example is elaborated upon beyond, "Byrne blames X." That elaboration is a direct quote from Byrne's FAQ.

As far as a lack of description goes, Paul is always welcome to provide us with any information that undermines or contradicts what I've said. And as always, Paul will not do so. Because no such information exists.

That will not stop him from claiming it exists, of course. Because Paul is incredibly dishonest.

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While it would appear that a few Detractors™ are trying to make everything out to be a simple black & white issue, there is far more involved than trying to paint JB as a quitter just because it is public knowledge that there were a few titles that JB abruptly stopped working on.


Eleven on that list alone, actually.
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#580966 - 12/15/10 05:47 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Here's a dandy review
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#580967 - 12/15/10 06:09 PM Re: Q for JB [Re: Budman]
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Paul, don't you think you owe it to JB to take advantge of your membership on his forum and just chime in and leave a quick gush on the thread he started about Next Men no.1?
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