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#581619 - 12/30/10 05:30 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
I don't know exactly how much Warren is making from Empowered, but he sure isn't paying his bills from it, especially when that income was cut in half the last two years.

You do realize authors still get paid for books they wrote years earlier, right?
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#581621 - 12/30/10 05:46 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: MBunge
There are many more good writers who can't draw and good artists who can't write than people who can do both.

Do you really want to get into Mike Hoffman's "incomplete creator" argument? That's always good for a laugh.


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As artist X finishes one issue, writer Y can be working on the next. Seriously? How is that concept not easy to grasp?

Because you're assuming that I'm talking about Neal Adams art, which I'm not.


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Breaking a job down into component parts almost always leads to quicker and easier completion.

And the surest way to get a flawed product.


1. I don't know what Hoffman argument you're referring to, but the fact that creators are usually not equally gifted at all aspects of creation is something people have recognized since human beings started creating things. Again, head-ass-you.

2. I don't think you even know what you're talking about most of the time.

3. This isn't an argument about "flawed product" by your view. We're talking about the basic mechanics of production. This is the where you not knowing what you're talking about becomes an issue.

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#581622 - 12/30/10 05:50 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: MBunge
I don't know exactly how much Warren is making from Empowered, but he sure isn't paying his bills from it, especially when that income was cut in half the last two years.

You do realize authors still get paid for books they wrote years earlier, right?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Let's see if we can get PAD to come back here and talk about the (sarcasm on) financial bonanza (sarcasm off) his back catalog of books has been. It might be hard, what with the $10,000 a night hooker feeding him caviar made from Dodo eggs with the platinum spoon in her ass.

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#581624 - 12/30/10 05:56 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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1. All people with the will to do it can draw pictures and write text. Your failure to recognize this fact is your own cranium-to-anus problem.

2. I know what you're talking about — an arbitrary "standard" of art.

3. No, we're talking about art and commerce (or perhaps art vs. commerce), and that's where you not knowing what you're talking about becomes an issue.



I haven't done a Google search for Bill DuBay's Cookie, so I don't know how much information is available about it online. It's in the last issue of his Pacific miniseries, Bold Adventure, which can be found for cheap if you're interested. He makes the case for the DIY approach, and created what is easily his most charming work.
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#581625 - 12/30/10 06:00 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Let's see if we can get PAD to come back here and talk about the (sarcasm on) financial bonanza (sarcasm off) his back catalog of books has been.

Was I talking about Star Trek fanfic?

I don't know what deals PAD has made with what publishers, but the fact remains that authors still get paid for books that are kept in print. In some cases, for decades.
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#581626 - 12/30/10 06:15 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
1. All people with the will to do it can draw pictures and write text.



Uhhhh...and? Most people with the will to do it could learn how to do brain surgery. That doesn't mean you'd want most of them cutting your brain up because the overwhelming majority of them wouldn't be very good at it. Likewise, anyone can learn to write and draw but few will be that good at either and even fewer would excel at both. Again, head-ass-you.

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#581627 - 12/30/10 06:24 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: MBunge
Let's see if we can get PAD to come back here and talk about the (sarcasm on) financial bonanza (sarcasm off) his back catalog of books has been.

Was I talking about Star Trek fanfic?

I don't know what deals PAD has made with what publishers, but the fact remains that authors still get paid for books that are kept in print. In some cases, for decades.


PAD is a New York Times best selling author who's written comics, novels, TV showS and movies. If there's anyone in the world who understands the financial side of creating, it's him.

And yes, authors can get royalties on books that remain in print. However, nearly all books sells most of their copies within a short time after publication. As time goes on, they sell fewer and fewer copies until nearly all books go out of print. The idea that royalities are a financial bonanza for any but a very small number of creators is ludicrous. Again, you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Mike


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#581629 - 12/30/10 06:30 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Brain surgery is not an equivcable skill. People learn words and pictures in kindergarten, or even before. Look at the cave paintings in Lasceaux. Communication is fundamental. Beyond that, you're talking about an arbitrary "standard" of art, which is not only unsupportable, it is superfluous to the discussion at hand.

Now then. Can we move on from your childish catchphrase spouting? You're looking like Paul ("lather, rinse, repeat...").
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#581630 - 12/30/10 06:32 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
PAD is a New York Times best selling author who's written comics, novels, TV showS and movies. If there's anyone in the world who understands the financial side of creating, it's him.

And I'm certain that he only gets paid once for everything he's ever written. No? That flies in the face of your argument, then.
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#581648 - 12/31/10 11:31 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Brain surgery is not an equivcable skill. People learn words and pictures in kindergarten, or even before. Look at the cave paintings in Lasceaux. Communication is fundamental. Beyond that, you're talking about an arbitrary "standard" of art, which is not only unsupportable, it is superfluous to the discussion at hand.

Now then. Can we move on from your childish catchphrase spouting? You're looking like Paul ("lather, rinse, repeat...").



You've got an interesting debating technique, Allen. You're literally denying that people can be better at writing than they are at drawing and vice versa. That joins other of your arguments based on refusing to accept the most plain and obvious realities of life. I'll grant you this, it's very hard to engage that contention, let along refute it.

Mike

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