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#581872 - 01/06/11 04:46 PM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: MBunge
Spoken like a man who's never done any creative work in his life.

Please provide the details of how Kirkman compensates his artist collaborators/employees.


I don't know, don't care and it doesn't matter. Kirkman writes the script. Somebody else draws the comic. That is collaboration. Questions of ownership don't have anything to do with it. The question is...why does Kirkman fork out money to ANYONE to draw his comic rather than do it himself? I could be wrong, but I suspect it's because Kirkman knows he's a shitty artist and wants the comic to be as good as it can be.

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#581889 - 01/07/11 05:10 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Now, unless DC, Marvel or some other evil comic publisher had a time machine and warped back to the mid to late 1800s in order to force Ross and de Tessier TO COLLABORATE on their comic, I'd say that proves you're full of shit.

And unless Ms. de Tessier was hired via audition, I's say that proves you're full of shit.
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#581891 - 01/07/11 05:21 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
I don't know, don't care and it doesn't matter.

Yes, yes, it does. Are Kirkman's artists page-rate slaves, or do they hold a vested interest in what they are doing?


Originally Posted By: MBunge
The question is...why does Kirkman fork out money to ANYONE to draw his comic rather than do it himself? I could be wrong, but I suspect it's because Kirkman knows he's a shitty artist and wants the comic to be as good as it can be.

This raises the question of why people who say they can't draw would even want to do comics in the first place. My point is that everyone CAN draw, and need only to figure out what they need to say with waht drawing ability they possess. Kirkman, like so many other comics writers, just wants to make movies. He couldn't afford the means to do that, so paying a more technically skilled artist to draw it out is the next best thing.

And if his concern was to make a comic "as good as it can be," he may have considered not jumping on the already ripe and stinking zombie bandwagon.
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#581892 - 01/07/11 05:28 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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At any rate, it's way past abundantly clear that you're not interested in having a discussion about comics distribution models for the future, but rather are only interested in insulting me. I was always taught you're either part of the problem, or part of the solution. If you don't wish to discuss the possible avenues of keeping comics viable, guess which you are.
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#581893 - 01/07/11 05:31 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Charles Reece]
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Originally Posted By: Charles Reece
I'm curious about which novelists have said they'd prefer the comic book industry's way of doing things, Mike.

This question remains unanswered, btw. I can't believe even PAD, whore that he is, would want to serialize a novel while he's working on it.
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#581894 - 01/07/11 05:33 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Spoken like a man who's never done any creative work in his life.

We can't all score those sweet gigs posting movie reviews on IMDB.
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#581899 - 01/07/11 11:22 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: MBunge
Now, unless DC, Marvel or some other evil comic publisher had a time machine and warped back to the mid to late 1800s in order to force Ross and de Tessier TO COLLABORATE on their comic, I'd say that proves you're full of shit.

And unless Ms. de Tessier was hired via audition, I's say that proves you're full of shit.


What the hell does audition have to do with anything? I never said anything about auditions and you never said anything about auditions or any other qualifiers to the concept of collaboration. Do you have something to offer besides sophistry?

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#581900 - 01/07/11 11:25 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
My point is that everyone CAN draw, and need only to figure out what they need to say with waht drawing ability they possess.


Just to be clear.

First, you deny that people can be better writers than artists and vice versa.

Second, you snotily defend that contention.

Third, you deny that you ever denied it.

Fourth, you go back to denying that people can be better writers than artists or vice versa.

At least keep your masturbatory tripe a little consistent.

Mike

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#581901 - 01/07/11 11:27 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
At any rate, it's way past abundantly clear that you're not interested in having a discussion about comics distribution models for the future, but rather are only interested in insulting me. I was always taught you're either part of the problem, or part of the solution. If you don't wish to discuss the possible avenues of keeping comics viable, guess which you are.


You don't want to keep comics viable. It's plainly obvious from everything you post that you don't give a crap about the viability of the medium, artform or industry. And it's beyond pathetic to complain about my insulting you, given your arrogant tone.

Mike


Edited by MBunge (01/07/11 11:30 AM)

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#581902 - 01/07/11 11:28 AM Re: Comics Distribution: An Historical View and Pr [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: Charles Reece
I'm curious about which novelists have said they'd prefer the comic book industry's way of doing things, Mike.

This question remains unanswered, btw. I can't believe even PAD, whore that he is, would want to serialize a novel while he's working on it.



Which has nothing to do with anything I said, which was only that prose writers would like to have a serialized format for their work.

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