In Burton's first one, my thought was that Michael Keaton and Billie Dee Williams should have swapped roles. Besides the coloration issues — had BDW gone on to play Two-face the contrast wouldn't have been stark enough between brown and green; BDW wouldn't have needed the black eye makeup that disappeared mysteriously when Keaton whipped off the mask — Williams just naturally had the persona of Bruce Wayne. That's what no one seems to get. Cast for Bruce Wayne, not Batman.

Keaton would have made an interesting Two-Face, but Billy Dee as Batman is one of the best examples of cross-race casting I've ever seen.

Mike

New pics of the costume. Ugh. If you thought the Returns one was bad...

I thought this thing was scheduled for 2012? IMDB says 2013. Also, I forgot about Russell Crowe as Jor-El. I guess he's about as fat as Marlon Brando now.

Looks like some kind of scuba diving gear.

K

I like the 'S' shield way better than superman returns. And holy cod piece!
Also, the lack of red panties on the outside makes it look drastically different from the original classic look. Which concerns me. However
I'm going to give this new version a shot. Brandon Routth was too lean. Zak Snyder is due for a hit. This superman has the girth to pull it off but haven't seen a Clark Picture yet. I look forward to the first trailer.
If he can nail the special effects and I mean blow me away with cutting edge original take on the flying etc I'll suffice

Well, I already know I hate the costume, so I'm prepared for that. My concern is the portrayal of Clark. All Routh did was an impersonation of Chris Reeve's Clark (for the miniscule amount of time they even used Clark in the three-hour runtime).

I think the problem with Superman Returns is that people just wanted to see Superman flying around, punching things, and shooting lasers from his eyes. The movie they got was far more nuanced and thoughtful than the typical superhero film, and they weren't ready for it.

Uh, no, Superman stalking Lois Lane was not very "thoughtful."

If you want an all-knowing, all-perfect Superman, then yeah. But Singer's Superman was more human.

The reason Singer's Superman failed was that it was so poorly written. When it starts with Lex Luthor doing the Anna Nicole Smith marry-a-rich-oldie routine, it's kinda hard to bring it online after that.

Some of the direction was good, but the parts of the story that weren't lifted from the first two movies just didn't make any sense.