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#571107 - 05/07/10 04:15 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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While I certainly agree that JB has, at times, come across as cranky & belligerent, I don't see it as necessarily a bad thing...per se.
It is what it is which is neither a bad or a good thing ...unless I suppose if you're on the receiving end of his crankiness and belligerence. If, however, you're going to act cranky and belligerent, you should not be surprised or offended when people call you cranky and belligerent.
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#571108 - 05/07/10 04:19 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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#571111 - 05/07/10 04:38 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: IvanJim]
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I have no dog in this fight, but I'm a big fan of logic. The only logic Paul uses is circular logic. If anyone has a negative opinion about anything John Byrne does or says, they are biased against John Byrne, and thus a "Detractor." So despite any facts or evidence, as a "detractor" having any negative opinion about anything John Byrne does or says is therefore inherently biased, because it is from a"Detractor" and because they have a negative opinion, and are therefore biased, they are a "Detractor," so if you are a "Detractor" you would of course have a negative opinion about what John Byrne does or says, and as Paul would say, "rinse and repeat..."
Edited by Joe Lee (05/07/10 04:56 PM)
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#571121 - 05/07/10 05:58 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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Loc: Sparks, Nevada, United States
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I don't care who the sources were. They were very obviously negatively biased & joined in the I-Hate-JB parade that swamps IMWAN. Any credibility they had was shot to pieces. So you don't think being a moderator at the John Byrne Forum gives one credibility when discussing the moderation at the John Byrne Forum? In this particular case, no. For the reasons already stated. Jeez, I hate to see what's required for you to think someone has credibility. Your use of the word is so odd that I can only assume you're using "credibility" as a euphemism for "desire to drink a tall frothy glass of JB's manbutter." That's why making assumptions is USUALLY not a good thing to do. When one (usually a detractor) jumps to the wrong conclusion (usually followed by other detractors latching on to these incorrect conclusions as predicted), it tends to stir up wild, imaginary fantasies...and in some cases (like this one), disgusting fantasies.
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#571122 - 05/07/10 06:06 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Lawson]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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I don't care who the sources were. They were very obviously negatively biased & joined in the I-Hate-JB parade that swamps IMWAN. Any credibility they had was shot to pieces. So you don't think being a moderator at the John Byrne Forum gives one credibility when discussing the moderation at the John Byrne Forum? No, Paul thinks he knows more about what happens behind the scenes at the JBF than the guys who actually run the JBF behind the scenes and various JBF members who have posted regularly there for years (whereas Paul mostly lurks). Paul even thinks he knows more about the JBF than Dave Pruitt, the guy who established the JBF for Byrne. Now, now, Lawson. Mind reading is definitely NOT your forte. Then again, neither is being able to face reality (but don't worry, you're in good company in that regard with a few other detractors). Because when these fellows finally got disgusted with Byrne and criticized him at the IMWAN Web site, they lost all credibility with Paul. Why would anyone believe that most members of IMWAN would be anything BUT credible when it comes to JB? Perish the thought. 
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#571123 - 05/07/10 06:11 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Registered: 12/19/05
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In this particular case, no. For the reasons already stated. In this particular case, the reasons you stated were that they said negative things about John Byrne. So really, what produces "credibility" in your mind is not expertise on a given subject, it's the ability to never ever say anything negative about John Byrne. That's why making assumptions is USUALLY not a good thing to do. When one (usually a detractor) jumps to the wrong conclusion (usually followed by other detractors latching on to these incorrect conclusions as predicted), it tends to stir up wild, imaginary fantasies...and in some cases (like this one), disgusting fantasies. This is probably a good example of why taking everything you read literally is USUALLY not a good thing to do. When I suggest that you want to quaff a steaming mug of John Byrne's semen, I'm not saying that's what you really want. It's a joke about how your devotion to John Byrne is ludicrously extreme. Now as it happens, I do think you literally want to swallow a salty dose of Byrne's pearl jam, but I don't think you want it in a glass. That would just be silly.
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#571124 - 05/07/10 06:21 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Paul, we don't have to know 100% why Frank Lauro was banned. This is not a court of law after all. It is, however, a reasonable assumption based on the evidence we do have which includes the actions of others who do know what happened to assume that Byrne acted in a the manner of a dick.
I can be pedantic with the best of 'em but Paul, let it go, let it go.
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#571125 - 05/07/10 07:31 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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So, a couple of individuals visit IMWAN & post something negative regarding JB so it must be incontrovertible? I'd say you're a LOT full of it.
I have no dog in this fight, but I'm a big fan of logic. This is a word that is not usually in a detractors vocabulary. Instead of dismissing these individuals outright... they are former mods after all and didn't one actually create the board?... wouldn't it be appropriate to ask what prompted their negative posts and trace where these sentiments came from. I'm not saying to immediately buy into their testimony but I wouldn't dismiss it as quickly either. I never dismiss things quickly (though, when certain detractors draw certain conclusions, my skepticism radar goes into effect). I was actually there when this stuff occurred. Were it ONE mod who quit, I might say, "Okay. Maybe THAT guy had a problem." TWO mods leaving the board start making me want to question that board. It's still nothing to convict over, but questions aren't out of line here. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. It's making it unequivocal that I see as out of line.
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#571126 - 05/07/10 07:37 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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Loc: Sparks, Nevada, United States
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Personally I think far too many make mountains out of molehills. Yes. When a grown man becomes irate and snippy because Superman has been called "Supes" or places a poster on "Ignore" over a disagreement regarding the colors of Spider-Man's costume then that man certainly is upgrading a molehill to the stature of Everest. Thanks for proving my point. Hmmm... Who's more of a mountain maker? The guy who says, "Damn it! Spider-Man wears red and BLACK and if you can't see that, you're on IGNORE!!!" or the guy who looks at that reaction and says, "Wow! That's weird!" Byrne may or may not like it but nasty, over-reactions will get called nasty, over-reactions. Hmmm... Never said JB doesn't overreact sometimes. I don't usually dispute anything when someone quotes something that JB has said. When they blow things out of proportion, though...
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#571127 - 05/07/10 07:39 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Registered: 07/22/01
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If you think that's paranoid, then you're really not going to like my rejection of Byrne's assertion that the JBF is the only message board on which he posts. I just can't buy that one. You think JB posts elsewhere as a sock? If so, any examples?
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