So...is the Mars storyline public domain? What does it mean they're doing...

Okay wiki'd it. So the author failed to get copyright for the early stories, but his estate owns the name John Carter, which is why Dynamite has WARLORD OF MARS instead of the other titles.

@Mars name change.

A Princess of Mars is the BEST title for a movie based on the ERB stories. I also heard it's because the studio execs saw that most movies with "Mars" in the title don't do well, box office-wise.

Maybe an animated John Carter of Mars would be better. Too bad they couldn't have come out with one during the 30s/40s. I can only imagine how cool it would have been to see A Princess of Mars done in the Fleischer Superman style.

Probably a similar reason as to why the Dynamite Tarzan comic is called "Lord of he Jungle"

Or would it have been more like Snow White? Still cool. What a different world this would have been if they would have done Princess of Mars instead of Snow White? We would probably never had all those crappy Tarzan movies.

When I first heard Disney/Pixar, was doing this i remember thinking it was to be all CGI animated. I gotta say I'm a little disappointed it's not. I was imagining something like a cross between Clone Wars, Robots and Ice Age 4

Y'know I can't think of any recent movies that had Mars in the Title. Except "Mars Attacks."

Total Recall, Capricorn One, Angry Red Planet, Doom, were on Mars right. Well, Capricorn One, was about a "Mars Trip"

Found a list online, and the most recent ones were, My Favorite Martian, and Mars Needs Moms. I don't recall them even being in the theater, let alone seeing them. Who compiles all this info?

Mars needs Moms was in theaters. It cost 150 Million to make and only made 39 Mil.

Dark Knight was a blockbuster and studio execs started saying "dark" is the way to go with Superman. Then Watchmen tanked and they said, "okay, not TOO dark." So it wouldn't surprise me if it was both reasons.

I think Sophia Vergara back in the day would have made a good Dejah Thoris.

You asked if Lucas had "taken crap" for lifting from others. The answer is YES, Lucas has taken crap for lifting from others. You're still dishing it out here. Nothing to discuss.

The discussion is whether or not SW was "nothing but the sum of other stories' parts." Clearly, it was much more than that. Ergo, you are wrong.

I'm talking about my personal experience in watching SW, after having read and seen most of the materials Lucas borrowed from, when I watch SW now I see the different parts. Distinctly. To me, in my opinion, YOU MAY SEE IT DIFFERENTLY, but to me, as much fun as it is, SW is derivative to the point of being a collection of other story's parts. Your mileage may vary.

You asked me...


I'm not disputing the fact that Star Wars has had more comic books made from it than Scaramouche. And you know that, It's had more comics made from it than pretty much all the source materials combined I would guess. And I'm not saying it hasn't been a financial success. Scaramouche, Hidden Fortress, Dune, Lord of the Rings, Edgar Rice Burroughs Tarzan and Barsoom novels, and all of the other little homages, combined they might be getting close to SW money, if we adjust for inflation. Maybe not. Either way, I don't see how it's relevant.

I could accept this statement from Pauline Kael, who had probably seen all of Lucas' source material when SW came out. But from someone who was a ten-year-old boy at the time? It's posturing bullshit.



Yes, SW lifts from other sources. But is it "NOTHING BUT" that? You'll need to present a pastiche edited from all of the sources into one film, matched up to SW, for your claim to even be considered.



And I'm not talking about the money. I'm saying SW is more than just the sum of its influences. Otherwise, more subsequent creators would simply go back to the originals.

I never said I saw the source material BEFORE Star Wars came out. I've had thirty years to see it since.

You edited out the part of the sentence that reads, "...after having read and seen most of the materials Lucas borrowed from, when I watch SW now I see the different parts." Read it slowly, maybe that will help, "when I watch SW now" today, after having read and seen most of the materials Lucas borrowed from, NOT WHEN IT WAS RELEASED.

How is "Lifts" more accurate? Fine, He "lifted" so much stuff that it's hard for me to not see the "lifted" material now, today, these many years later after having many years to see and read the original sources.

Again, I was just talking about the story. I never meant to imply it didn't have an impact on society, or in any other way. Just talking within the context of the storytelling itself. Create all the straw men you want.

"Considered" by who? You? All opinions must be approved by you before consideration?

As well as the sequels, all the spin-offs, fanfic, subsequent rip-offs of the rip-off, the over-arching social impact of the SW mythos, etc. And yet you find within yourself more allegiance to Scaramouche and the Hidden Fortress. Mmmm-kay.



Again, present the entire film and split-screen the corresponding lifted sequences to present your case. By stating that SW was "NOTHING BUT the sum of other stories' parts" means the entirety of its run time consists of only recreated/stolen elements. I'm saying this is not true.



Stating that SW is "NOTHING BUT the sum of other stories' parts" is a stupid argument, not a straw one.