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#577126 - 09/08/10 01:04 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Nothing wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. It's the criticism presented with maliciousness & ignorance that I don't condone.
More from the Byrne playbook. "The only valid criticism is the criticism I agree with or (as is usually the case) the criticism I offer about myself." As I said, ask yourself the hard questions. It's not always "I don't like what he said about me. He must be a Byrne hater!" He might be but before you throw the comment out the window, consider it as possibly valid. I'm drawing a conclusion based on the impression Byrne is leaving me with. Maybe he is a raging genius but he sure isn't coming off that way. His tactics all scream "POSER!" This can be said of anyone posting on the Internet... No. Not "anyone." Some people come off as genuinely knowledgeable. These people usually don't have to name drop or pad their posts with pretentious fluff. Yes, he drops names all the time, but this is not a bad thing.
It's neither good or bad. It's the sign of a poser. It was an empty suit of an argument... the sort of thing that Intro To Philosophy 101 students would find cliched. If there was a line that would've made me say, "Oh wow! John Byrne is right! There is no God!" I must've missed it. Very close-minded of you... More from the Byrne playbook. "I'm calling HIM exacty what he is calling ME! He is close-minded because he dismisses my close-minded argument!" I was very interested in where his point of view came from but sadly, his understanding of Religion has all the depth of a comic book geek arguing about the inconsistencies of their favorite character. Byrne equates God with Santa Claus. Even the most open-minded theologian is going to hit the bottom of that shallow pool very quickly.
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#577131 - 09/08/10 02:39 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Budman]
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Here's an article that appeared in Entertainment Weekly a few years ago on Chevy Chase and the downturn of his career:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,676221,00.html
It's interesting to see the parallels between Chase and ol' JB. Consider...
1. Both men hit their peak in terms of popularity in the late seventies and early eighties with Chase peaking maybe a couple of years earlier than Byrne.
2. Both men produced their best work during this period.
3. Both men gained a reputation for being difficult, arrogant, and unpleasant towards their fans.
4. The work they both produced during the nineties and the 2000's was lackluster and failed to recapture the audiences of their heyday.
5. Ca. 2010, both men found "new homes" of a sort on projects they would never have touched earlier in their careers. Chase is now on a sitcom (in a supporting role of all things!) and Byrne is at IDW working on licensed products like Star Trek, Angel, and the forth coming Jurassic Park (Geez! Was he wiped out during the financial crisis?)
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#577139 - 09/08/10 03:21 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Nothing wrong with CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. It's the criticism presented with maliciousness & ignorance that I don't condone.
More from the Byrne playbook. "The only valid criticism is the criticism I agree with or (as is usually the case) the criticism I offer about myself." As I said, ask yourself the hard questions. It's not always "I don't like what he said about me. He must be a Byrne hater!" He might be but before you throw the comment out the window, consider it as possibly valid. There are many valid points made regarding JB's bad behavior & in many of these cases JB deserves the negativity. I make nary a peep when it comes to legitimate & provable stories. I'm drawing a conclusion based on the impression Byrne is leaving me with. Maybe he is a raging genius but he sure isn't coming off that way. His tactics all scream "POSER!" This can be said of anyone posting on the Internet... No. Not "anyone." Some people come off as genuinely knowledgeable. These people usually don't have to name drop or pad their posts with pretentious fluff. How can one come off as genuinely (key word) knowledgeable on the Internet? That's rhetorical, by the way. Like I implied, nothing wrong with namedropping when you're trying to convey information to others who may not have all the facts readily available. It's quite helpful for many & it's a very considerate thing to do most of the time. Yes, he drops names all the time, but this is not a bad thing. It's neither good or bad. It's the sign of a poser. See above. It was an empty suit of an argument... the sort of thing that Intro To Philosophy 101 students would find cliched. If there was a line that would've made me say, "Oh wow! John Byrne is right! There is no God!" I must've missed it. Very close-minded of you... More from the Byrne playbook. "I'm calling HIM exacty what he is calling ME! He is close-minded because he dismisses my close-minded argument!" I was very interested in where his point of view came from but sadly, his understanding of Religion has all the depth of a comic book geek arguing about the inconsistencies of their favorite character. Byrne equates God with Santa Claus. Even the most open-minded theologian is going to hit the bottom of that shallow pool very quickly. This just indicates how far you needed to drive away from the point that was made. Very close-minded, indeed.
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#577144 - 09/08/10 03:31 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Here's an article that appeared in Entertainment Weekly a few years ago on Chevy Chase and the downturn of his career:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,676221,00.html
It's interesting to see the parallels between Chase and ol' JB. Consider...
1. Both men hit their peak in terms of popularity in the late seventies and early eighties with Chase peaking maybe a couple of years earlier than Byrne. Debatable. 2. Both men produced their best work during this period. Debatable. 3. Both men gained a reputation for being difficult, arrogant, and unpleasant towards their fans. Exaggerated...and debatable. 4. The work they both produced during the nineties and the 2000's was lackluster and failed to recapture the audiences of their heyday. Debatable. 5. Ca. 2010, both men found "new homes" of a sort on projects they would never have touched earlier in their careers. Chase is now on a sitcom (in a supporting role of all things!) and Byrne is at IDW working on licensed products like Star Trek, Angel, and the forth coming Jurassic Park (Geez! Was he wiped out during the financial crisis?) Being in a successful sitcom (that was renewed for a 2nd season recently) in any sort of capacity is a good thing. And Chevy Chase is in a business that he chooses to be in. JB's titles sell consistently well at IDW (and they've even gone out of their way to get him to bring back Next Men). And JB is also in a business that he chooses to be in. In JB's case, get rid of the dweebs that are currently running Marvel these days & JB would no doubt be working there again...if he so chooses.
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#577151 - 09/08/10 03:57 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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How can one come off as genuinely (key word) knowledgeable on the Internet?
They usually don't have to name-drop. It's quite helpful for many & it's a very considerate thing to do most of the time.
Faking expertise on a subject is the sign of a poser. I would consider Byrne an expert on comics. I'm sure a majority would agree with me on this. I see how often he's been misleading and flat out wrong in things he's said about that field and I really have to call into question his remarks on physics and religion. [quote=Troy Lightbourne]It was an empty suit of an argument... the sort of thing that Intro To Philosophy 101 students would find cliched. If there was a line that would've made me say, "Oh wow! John Byrne is right! There is no God!" I must've missed it.
Very close-minded of you... More from the Byrne playbook. "I'm calling HIM exacty what he is calling ME! He is close-minded because he dismisses my close-minded argument!" I was very interested in where his point of view came from but sadly, his understanding of Religion has all the depth of a comic book geek arguing about the inconsistencies of their favorite character. Byrne equates God with Santa Claus. Even the most open-minded theologian is going to hit the bottom of that shallow pool very quickly. This just indicates how far you needed to drive away from the point that was made. Very close-minded, indeed. [/quote] Again... it's close-minded not to embrace a close-minded point of view?
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#577152 - 09/08/10 04:03 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Here's an article that appeared in Entertainment Weekly a few years ago on Chevy Chase and the downturn of his career:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,676221,00.html
It's interesting to see the parallels between Chase and ol' JB. Consider...
1. Both men hit their peak in terms of popularity in the late seventies and early eighties with Chase peaking maybe a couple of years earlier than Byrne. 2. Both men produced their best work during this period. 3. Both men gained a reputation for being difficult, arrogant, and unpleasant towards their fans. 4. The work they both produced during the nineties and the 2000's was lackluster and failed to recapture the audiences of their heyday. Debatable. Yes. They most definitely are debatable points... but they really wouldn't be a debate you'd win. I guess though SOMEONE might've thought that Cops and Robbersons was a good film and that Lab Rats was a good book.
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#577154 - 09/08/10 04:06 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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JB's titles sell consistently well at IDW (and they've even gone out of their way to get him to bring back Next Men). And JB is also in a business that he chooses to be in.
Byrne famously said that he'd never again work on licensed properties after his bad experience on Marvel's Indiana Jones book. Twenty-five years ago, he never would've returned IDW's calls.
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"...M*****..." ---John Byrne, a sixty year old man unwilling to refer to Marvel Comics by their proper name because they'd canceled his book.
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#577177 - 09/08/10 06:36 PM
Re: Q for JB
[Re: Troy Lightbourne]
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Byrne famously said that he'd never again work on licensed properties after his bad experience on Marvel's Indiana Jones book. Twenty-five years ago, he never would've returned IDW's calls. I remember really enjoying Byrne's Indiana Jones comics. What were the bad experiences?
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