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#597091 - 05/01/12 11:58 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
How would a publisher or an indy comic creator reach a guy like you?


I'm afraid I've fallen off the comics "grid" in recent years, since I no longer visit a comics shop with regularity or spend as much time on comics Web sites as I used to.

As I say above, I'm content much of the time to pick up a stack of old trades at a used bookstore for $5 each and let that serve as my comics reading for six months. Meanwhile, a dozen new titles like iZOMBIE are coming and going, but my radar isn't really turned on.

The comics industry chased me away after a 25-year affair.

Best way to reach me now is free previews on the more heavily visited comics Web sites, like Bleeding Cool and Comic Book Resources, and maybe even a placement here on Comicon. Let me take a look at five or six pages, get a feel for it. Get it in my face. But those little banner ads, I tune those out.

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#597092 - 05/01/12 12:00 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Who originally published THE ROCKETEER?

Pacific Comics! The Rocketeer was a backup feature in Mike Grell's Starslayer.

I still have those issues! grin

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#597093 - 05/01/12 12:02 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
And thus, Moore should STFU about about it. Take your statement to its logical conclusion.
Asking "Should someone STFU, given a particular set of variables and context," is a different, different thing than telling someone to STFU. Like I said above, you just like to skew peoples posts to the argument you want to have.

Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
No, you just want to have people agree with you that it's a "difficult issue." When it's not.
If I really wanted to talk to people that only "agree" with me why would I be here at Comicon, and for that matter talking with you?

You actually made a few valid points, but as a whole your argument doesn't hold up for me. It seems to be just a lot of hairsplitting and even some of that is contradictory. So somehow despite your best efforts I remain unconvinced. I see way more gray area in this mess than you, I'd say we should agree to disagree but that usually pisses you off.

Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
You've gotta be fucking kidding. I've been saying over and over here that this is one of the last DC books I still get for how long?
Actually, I honestly don't recall, I try to not pay much attention to your posts anymore. Only when you're part of a discussion I'm interested in, and even then I've usually regretted it in the end anyway. So yeah, even if i read it, I probably didn't pay attention to your recommendations.

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#597094 - 05/01/12 12:02 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Super-hero crap has consistently outsold everything else in comics for about 50 years now.


That really depends on how loosely you define "superhero."
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#597095 - 05/01/12 12:06 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Great point, how much of the total US comic market is Manga, and what about Archie and Bongo, things like that...

That Popeye book that just came out was great fun, and does The Goon count as superhero, love that Goon (incidentally there was a nice anti-superhero comics rant in this months Goon, a little preachy, but there are a lot of choir here).


Edited by Joe Lee (05/01/12 12:10 PM)

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#597096 - 05/01/12 12:10 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Great point, how much of the total US comic market is Manga, and what about Archie and Bongo, things like that...


Yeps. I remember around the time the Watchmen movie came out, something like five out of BookScan's top 10 graphic novels for the month were Naruto volumes. American superhero comics haven't been a reliably dominant force for some time.
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#597101 - 05/01/12 01:46 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Who originally published THE ROCKETEER? Are they still in business? Would they be if they'd gotten some of that movie adaptation money? Would Dave Stevens have even done the book if he'd had to self-publish it?

Bad example. Pacific was a distributor (I would say "fly by night" distributor, but in the comic book DM they were all fly by night operations) with a poor artist relations/editorial side. Stevens didn't even want to do the book at all, other than to draw some cool airplanes and lingerie, felt it was something of a burden. Then he barely got enough out of the Disney movie for a downpayment on a house (which he later lost in an earthquake).
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#597102 - 05/01/12 01:49 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette]
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Originally Posted By: Ceci n'est pas une chaussette
Originally Posted By: MBunge
Super-hero crap has consistently outsold everything else in comics for about 50 years now.


That really depends on how loosely you define "superhero."


Which merely emphasizes that there's plenty of other places creators can go other than DC or Marvel.

Mike

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#597103 - 05/01/12 01:51 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Asking "Should someone STFU, given a particular set of variables and context," is a different, different thing than telling someone to STFU.

Then say what you mean. Either Moore is a hypocrite with no room to criticize; or Watchmen bears no relationship to his other work and should be left alone as an integral work. One or the other. There is no in-between.


Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
It seems to be just a lot of hairsplitting and even some of that is contradictory.

Examples.


Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
even if i read it, I probably didn't pay attention to your recommendations.

Your loss, homo.
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#597104 - 05/01/12 02:07 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
Which merely emphasizes that there's plenty of other places creators can go other than DC or Marvel.


Yes, more American cartoonists should try drawing imported Japanese reprints.

Kidding aside though, I actually agree with you on this one. If DC and Marvel are only interested in acting as as a trademark zoo, then... well, it ain't thirty years ago. An aspiring cartoonist has other means to get their work out there.
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