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#597259 - 05/04/12 01:20 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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He took a Jack Schiff Batman story titled "The Man Behind The Red Hood," and didn't add any new characters. You are completely full of horseshit. The failed stand-up comic character who put on the Red Hood and became the Joker was an entirely new construct. The failed stand-up comic character IS the Joker. So he added to the Silver Age Joker origin. I wouldn't argue that Paul Jenkins, Joe Quesada and Bill Jemas added a new character by revealing that Wolverine's identity was James Howlett. I guess we just have different opinions on what it means to add new characters to a story.
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#597260 - 05/04/12 01:28 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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I shouldn't have commented on Alan Moore's living situation.
I assumed he was "comfortable" based off interviews saying that while he's not rich, he's doing okay, but then again, maybe I'm misremembering them, and regardless, it doesn't matter.
Seriously, he must get royalties from all the Watchmen trades sold because of the movie. Plus any other royalties he must be getting from all the other trades. I just got some Tom Strong trades online a few weeks back. He must get some decent royalties, with so many still in print, Watchmen, V, LOEG, Tom Strong, Promethea and all the other ABC books. Does Liefeld pay him royalties for the two big Supreme trades? Now if only Miracleman gets back in print, and made into a movie as well...
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#597263 - 05/04/12 02:04 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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He relinquished all rights of Miracleman to Gaiman and Alan Davis.
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#597265 - 05/04/12 02:07 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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I guess we just have different opinions on what it means to add new characters to a story. The character who became the Joker was an entirely new construct. The Joker never had an alter-ego before, and it was immediately discarded after that. I wouldn't argue that Paul Jenkins, Joe Quesada and Bill Jemas added a new character by revealing that Wolverine's identity was James Howlett. I would.
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#597266 - 05/04/12 02:08 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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"Public assistance" like welfare Yes.
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#597267 - 05/04/12 02:13 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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There are a lot of truly great talents working on this project[/b] Adam Hughes, Lee Bermejo and Jae Lee. The rest were hacks to begin with.
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#597268 - 05/04/12 02:14 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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He relinquished all rights of Miracleman to Gaiman and Alan Davis. Yeah but he's gotta be getting royalties from all the trades I mentioned above, LOEG, V, all the ABC stuff, Tom Strong, Promethea etc. I would think he gets royalties from Swamp Thing as well, maybe some others. Plus all the Watchmen trades, especially the huge spike in sales around the movie.
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#597269 - 05/04/12 02:19 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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I would hope that's a decent living. But DC flooded the market with the WalMart editions of Watchmen (and V), which is what this latest round is all about. They were making a fair ongoing profit on it, but with the movie had to overprint in such high quantities that there's pretty much no longer an untapped audience for it. Take into account all the returned copies.
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#597270 - 05/04/12 02:20 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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(There are a lot of truly great talents working on this project) Adam Hughes, Lee Bermejo and Jae Lee. The rest were hacks to begin with. Darwyn Cooke? J. Michael Straczynski? Andy and Joe Kubert? Amanda Conner? Brian Azzarello? Len Wein? (this is obviously some strange usage of the word "hack" that I was previously unaware of)
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#597271 - 05/04/12 02:23 AM
Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon
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Hack. As in they suck.
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