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#597246 - 05/03/12 05:19 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Lawson]
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I'm not comparing it to Watchmen. I'm comparing it to Alan Moore's DC work, his Image work, and his writing practices in using characters for LOEG.

He's complaining that they're making a Green Lantern event, utilizing elements from a Green Lantern story he wrote.

COIE utilized the other DC Earth's, created by other writers, and featured those characters like the Crime Syndicate, Roy Thomas' version of Superman, Wonder Woman, Powergirl, etc, CC Becks Marvel Family, etc. Yeah, they aded Anti-Monitor etc.

Considering that Geoff Johns has created brand new characters for Green Lantern that featured in the Blackest Night storyline, I don't see how it's so different from COIE or similar superhero comic stories.


What about Batman: The Killing Joke by Moore? He took a Jack Schiff Batman story titled "The Man Behind The Red Hood," and didn't add any new characters. But he did have the Joker shoot and paralyze Bat-girl, strip her naked, and photograph her in front of Commisioner Gordon.
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#597247 - 05/03/12 05:33 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Gerald]
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Originally Posted By: Gerald
COIE utilized the other DC Earth's, created by other writers, and featured those characters like the Crime Syndicate, Roy Thomas' version of Superman, Wonder Woman, Powergirl, etc, ...


Except you're wrong. Roy Thomas didn't create any of those characters, or even those versions of them, they were created much earlier by Siegel and Shuster and William Marston and Gerry Conway, who --

Gah!

I mean, YES, YOU'RE RIGHT, GERALD! YOU'RE RIGHT! YOU CAN STOP NOW!

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#597251 - 05/03/12 11:20 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Gerald]
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Originally Posted By: Gerald
able to live comfortably.

Seeing as how he wrote Neonomicon for Avatar to cover a tax bill, I doubt very seriously he's exactly rolling in dough.
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#597252 - 05/03/12 11:36 PM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Gerald]
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Originally Posted By: Gerald
He took a Jack Schiff Batman story titled "The Man Behind The Red Hood," and didn't add any new characters.

You are completely full of horseshit. The failed stand-up comic character who put on the Red Hood and became the Joker was an entirely new construct.
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#597253 - 05/04/12 12:27 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Seeing as how he wrote Neonomicon for Avatar to cover a tax bill, I doubt very seriously he's exactly rolling in dough.
I thought taxes in England were fairly reasonable for creative types. Or is that just artists?

But still, he's got universal healthcare there right, that's got to be helpful for a guy his age. Plus he must save a bundle on shaves and haircuts, I imagine.

Seriously though, is there any other evidence to support that, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't loaded, stuff happens. But he doesn't have a particularly fancy lifestyle does he? And couldn't a tax bill, be just a fluke as well, something was accidentally not figured right, so it came out of the blue, or any number of things.I'm just saying, if that's all the evidence, it's not entirely conclusive.

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#597254 - 05/04/12 12:32 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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As far as writing for Avatar I highly doubt anyone does that for the money.

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#597255 - 05/04/12 12:35 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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Do the math. When he first started doing Maxwell and the Magic Cat, he was on public assistance. What has he done since then? He only received movie money on LXG and From Hell, not on V or Watchmen.
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#597256 - 05/04/12 12:51 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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"Public assistance" like welfare or is it just the Brit version of Social Security, cause he's retired isn't he? And do we know if the LXG and From Hell money were lump sums or did they pay periodically, or both or some other variation? He could still be getting the occasional LXG money still, I swear I've seen them show it on FX periodically.

Plus, doesn't he get royalties from the Watchmen trades themselves?

A whole freakin' lot of those sold recently with the movie and all, (someone else pointed that out to me). Plus any other royalties he must be getting from other trades.

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#597257 - 05/04/12 12:57 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Joe Lee]
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Just ran across this, a piece from Forbes chastising Mr. Moore for many of the same reasons we've already been discussing here...

Alan Moore Is Wrong About 'Before Watchmen'
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2012/02/01/alan-moore-is-wrong-about-before-watchmen/

He actually sounds a little like Lawson over at the Byrne hating the Avengers movie thread...

"I also hope Mr. Moore, if he is going to continue complaining and denouncing it, will at least plan on actually READING the things he’s denouncing. There are a lot of truly great talents working on this project, and they are doing work similar to what Moore did when he took those Charlton Comics characters and invented a story reimagining them and trying to find new ways to make them relevant..."

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#597258 - 05/04/12 01:12 AM Re: Actually, no, it was Joe Simon [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: Gerald
able to live comfortably.

Seeing as how he wrote Neonomicon for Avatar to cover a tax bill, I doubt very seriously he's exactly rolling in dough.

I shouldn't have commented on Alan Moore's living situation.

I assumed he was "comfortable" based off interviews saying that while he's not rich, he's doing okay, but then again, maybe I'm misremembering them, and regardless, it doesn't matter.
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