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#597718 - 05/14/12 05:54 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Stephen Parkes]
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#1 - Five year marketing plan.

#2 - One Man, One Vision — and that man is producer Kevin Feige, not director Joss Whedon.



Like. I. Fucking. Said.
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#597719 - 05/14/12 06:08 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
It was nowhere near 90%.

Minus the principal actors, many shots were 100% CGI. Sometimes the principal actors were also CGI. Again, 964 video gamers.


Originally Posted By: Jimbo
I'm surprised, given your obvious wide knowledge of film, that you really think having a different director wouldn't have made that much of a difference to the final product.

The overall structure of the story and the net resultant outcome would have remained the same, no matter who was sitting in the chair. Whedon is credited with the "tone" of the script (primarily referring to the yuks), which may have been different with someone else. The content of the story and the visual style were pre-ordained and out of the director's control.

Compare and contrast Exorcist: The Beginning (dir. Renny Harlin) with Dominion: Prequel to the Exorcist (dir. Paul Schrader) if you want to see an actual example of such a thing happening.


Originally Posted By: Jimbo
As for the "flat script", it would appear you're in the minority in that opinion.

Wait until the paid reviewers move on to the next hot thing. You'll remember how much you paid for the tickets longer than you'll remember the movie.

Almost every unpaid review I've read of this thing points up uncanny similarities to Transformers 3.
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#597720 - 05/14/12 06:21 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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I'll be buying the DVD...
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#597722 - 05/14/12 06:25 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Jimbo]
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Thomas Tusser was a wise man.
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#597723 - 05/14/12 06:29 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Ad hominem.
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#597725 - 05/14/12 06:33 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Jimbo]
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Bungee already crashed that barrier.
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#597726 - 05/14/12 06:37 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Thus we turn to the "He Started It" chapter of our schoolyard rule book.
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#597727 - 05/14/12 06:39 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Jimbo]
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It's more along the lines of "you can't stuff the genie back into the bottle," but whatever.
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#597728 - 05/14/12 09:48 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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I've lost track.

Is Allen trying to convince everyone that they didn't enjoy "The Avengers"? Or is he trying to convince everyone that he doesn't have the time to engage in a debate over it?

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#597729 - 05/14/12 10:04 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Lawson]
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I guess Byrne just doesn't like the Ultimate Universe because this is an Ultimate Avengers movie, and not just because Nick Fury is black. In the Ultimates Nick Fury and Shield work with the Avengers. Captain America woke up in modern times, not the 1960s. And even more to the point, Bruce Banner became the Hulk while researching gamma rays in an attempt to rediscover the Super Soldier serum instead of being caught in an Atom bomb blast. Plus the Tony Stark Iron Man is clearly the Ultimates version.

And regarding the script Joss Whedon used, it wasn't exactly preordained. The previously existing script was rejected by Whedon and he and the writers "started from scratch" as he put it in an interview. The line-up may have been pre-ordained, but not the story.
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