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#597730 - 05/14/12 10:18 AM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Ad hominem? The Avengers movie was Whedon trying to gain some Cameron/Spielberg level political capital so he doesn't have to ever again beg his fanboys to save another one of his failed TV shows. Mike
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#597731 - 05/14/12 10:22 AM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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The overall structure of the story and the net resultant outcome would have remained the same, no matter who was sitting in the chair. And he knows that 'cause he once sold some comics to Sam Raimi! Mike
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#597732 - 05/14/12 10:28 AM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
[Re: Lawson]
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Oh, and if Allen wants to rag on Whedon because there were a lot of elements that were mandated for inclusion in The Avengers, he might want to address how Whedon handled that so much more successfully than in either Iron Man II or Spider-Man III?
Which, of course, doesn't change the fact that Allen's basic allegation is crap. As I mentioned before, what other filmmaker would have taken the window dressing character of Black Widow from Iron Man II and made her so central to The Avengers?
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#597733 - 05/14/12 10:51 AM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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I dunno why anyone would deny Joss Whedon his just due.
I don't care either way about Whedon -- never watched his Buffy television show or most of his other projects -- but I did check out his run on ASTONISHING X-MEN. And that was excellent. The man loves his superhero adventures, and he can tell a story.
As he showed again in "The Avengers."
That he hasn't proven himself to Allen's satisfaction, I think he'll be able to live with, assuming he ever hears the name Allen Montgomery for any reason.
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#597735 - 05/14/12 11:27 AM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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In case anyone cares, The Avengers is apparently on track for the best 2nd week ever at the box office and will rack up in 2 weeks about 10 million less than The Hunger Games has raked in over almost 2 months. I'd probably prefer Hunger Games over the Avengers, if I had to choose. There were charges of racism on Twitter when some readers failed to notice Nick Fury was black in the comics. I'd prefer Battle Royale over the Hunger Games. Still, Avengers was a great film.
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#597748 - 05/14/12 01:12 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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what other filmmaker would have taken the window dressing character of Black Widow from Iron Man II and made her so central to The Avengers? That was implicit because she didn't get her own movie. They could have easily reversed her and Hawkeye since the two were so closely connected, but which one would you rather see in a skintight outfit?
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#597753 - 05/14/12 01:37 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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Is Allen trying to convince everyone that they didn't enjoy "The Avengers"? Or is he trying to convince everyone that he doesn't have the time to engage in a debate over it? Neither.
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#597755 - 05/14/12 01:41 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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Oh, and if Allen wants to rag on Whedon because there were a lot of elements that were mandated for inclusion in The Avengers I accept your apology. he might want to address how Whedon handled that so much more successfully than in either Iron Man II or Spider-Man III? I haven't seen Spider-Man III, but Iron Man II successfully eschewed expectations by replacing action sequences with character development. I guess that's what Whedon was attempting to replicate with the long, draggy parts in the Avengers. what other filmmaker would have taken the window dressing character of Black Widow from Iron Man II and made her so central to The Avengers? Frank Miller, for sure.
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#597756 - 05/14/12 01:43 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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I did check out his run on ASTONISHING X-MEN. And that was excellent. Haha! Yeah. Take an existing puzzle, rearrange the pieces, cut the corners off the edges that don't fit together right, then call it a new puzzle. Excellent!
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#597758 - 05/14/12 01:50 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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The previously existing script was rejected by Whedon and he and the writers "started from scratch" as he put it in an interview. The line-up may have been pre-ordained, but not the story. What was the outline of this mythical rejected script?
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