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#597763 - 05/14/12 05:12 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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I did check out his run on ASTONISHING X-MEN. And that was excellent. Haha! Yeah. Take an existing puzzle, rearrange the pieces, cut the corners off the edges that don't fit together right, then call it a new puzzle. Excellent! Same could be said for Alan Moore on SWAMP THING. Have you read Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN? I hadn't followed the X-Men since Chris Claremont and Paul Smith were on the book maybe 25 years ago, but I heard good buzz about Whedon's run on this title. Finally, I checked it out. It was, indeed, great superhero comics. I'm glad I overcame my skepticism.
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#597765 - 05/14/12 06:14 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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I really liked that series too. Lots of great character moments, huge fun, adventure stuff. It seemed bigger than a comic, like old Lee & Kirby FF comics. The climax almost didn't work on the page it was so cinematic.
There is an animated, well more semi-animated version of Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN on netflix.
There are a few of them, with the limited animation, straight from the comics I assume. There's Thor & Loki Blood Brothers, Iron Man: Extremis, which were a little slow but fun, there's a Spiderwoman that I havent't seen yet, as well as the slightly more animated Black Panther: The Animated Series, which is a lot like those Marvel animated cartoons from the sixties, and I can't recommend it enough, great fun.
Netflix has a lot of Marvel animated series and movies too. Not so much DC, but almost everything or anything you can think of even the Silver Surfer series.
Nice to see the public still likes to watch those characters created by Jack Kirby & friends.
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#597775 - 05/14/12 09:10 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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I guess Byrne just doesn't like the Ultimate Universe because this is an Ultimate Avengers movie, and not just because Nick Fury is black. In the Ultimates Nick Fury and Shield work with the Avengers. Captain America woke up in modern times, not the 1960s. And even more to the point, Bruce Banner became the Hulk while researching gamma rays in an attempt to rediscover the Super Soldier serum instead of being caught in an Atom bomb blast. Plus the Tony Stark Iron Man is clearly the Ultimates version.
I agree with this, although it seems that the movie characters are a little less snarky and more likeable than Millar's versions. They found a happy medium between the Ultimate versions and the Lee/Kirby versions.
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#597779 - 05/14/12 10:22 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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Same could be said for Alan Moore on SWAMP THING. Moore's Swamp Thing was a continuation of the existing material within the same continuity. Whedon's X-Men was cherrypicking the kewl-est elements of the existing material to create a new Kewl fanfic Universe. Have you read Whedon's ASTONISHING X-MEN? Yep. And largely forgotten everything about it besides all the kewl posing, simplistic or missing backgrounds, lots of talking and little action. I hadn't followed the X-Men since Chris Claremont and Paul Smith were on the book maybe 25 years ago I lasted a couple of issues into JRJR's shit.
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#597780 - 05/14/12 10:52 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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Same could be said for Alan Moore on SWAMP THING. Moore's Swamp Thing was a continuation of the existing material within the same continuity. Whedon's X-Men was cherrypicking the kewl-est elements of the existing material to create a new Kewl fanfic Universe. I'm not seeing any difference.
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#597782 - 05/14/12 11:20 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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Wait, I figured out the difference -you liked one and not the other.
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#597783 - 05/14/12 11:25 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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The previously existing script was rejected by Whedon and he and the writers "started from scratch" as he put it in an interview. The line-up may have been pre-ordained, but not the story. What was the outline of this mythical rejected script? Don't you remember? You had it behind the display case of the comic shop where Sam Raimi told you all about how he got hired to direct Spider-Man. Mike
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#597784 - 05/14/12 11:27 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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Iron Man II successfully eschewed expectations by replacing action sequences with character development. Ragging on The Avengers and praising Iron Man II? Troll. Mike
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#597785 - 05/14/12 11:49 PM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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I liked Iron Man II. Was it not well received by fandom?
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#597786 - 05/15/12 01:45 AM
Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen
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The previously existing script was rejected by Whedon and he and the writers "started from scratch" as he put it in an interview. I don't doubt there were previous rejected scripts. I just doubt it was Whedon doing the rejecting.
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