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#597515 - 05/10/12 08:12 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: MBunge]
ChrisW Offline
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I don't have the time to educate you from such a rudimentary level.


Yet look at how often you've posted on this thread since my last post alone. You've obviously got time.

Come on... Explain how middle-level Whedon demanded Disney/Marvel give him The Avengers Initiative and they had no power to refuse him. Did he force Sony to use muscle?
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#597516 - 05/10/12 09:14 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I think JB hacked into Lawson's Comicon account! RUN!!!


laugh

Get this into your tiny brain: trade paperbacks are not the “future” of this industry. They are another industry entirely, as movies are to TV. How about if we just think of it this way: People who miss deadlines are lazy, arrogant, unprofessional c*cks*ckers who are in no small way responsible for the death of the industry. And the “fans” who support them are braindead elitist morons. A time machine would come in handy, right about now. Go back about fifteen years and shoot all those people who didn’t listen when I predicted the present state of the industry as the natural outcome of what the industry was doing, or starting to do, then. Face it—for the most part, when you say “comic book professional” what you mean is “unprofessional yahoo who is more concerned with making a name for himself and masturbating all his emotionally retarded fans than paying any attention to the history of the titles, the characters, or the work done by other creators.” I repeat, bullshit. Pull your head out of your ass for a moment and look at this not as a long time comic book reader, but as a civilian. This looks like a comic book, feels like a comic book, smells like a comic book, tastes like a comic book. No “uninitiated” person is going to look at this and think “Ah! This lurid cover illustration indicates this book must be intended for mature readers!” They are going to think “Look what they are selling to my children!!”* And those children are going to think “Co-o-o-o-o-o-ol!!!” It's kind of difficult to put into words why I don't like Bob Laytons's inking. This is going to sound really silly, but I actually feel physically ill when I look at Bob's stuff. I really do. It's like everything is greasy and slimy. I will never forgive him for what he did to the Hulk's face in the annual that we did together. A lot of the other stuff I liked, but the Hulk's face, the Angel's face, the Angel, God!I remember my father looking at the stats of the finished inks and there's a shot of the Angel standing there with his hands on his hips saying hello to somebody and my father said, "Well this guy's queer." No, he didn't look queer in the pencils Dad.

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#597518 - 05/10/12 11:04 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I think JB hacked into Lawson's Comicon account! RUN!!!


laugh

Get this into your tiny brain: trade paperbacks are not the “future” of this industry. They are another industry entirely, as movies are to TV. How about if we just think of it this way: People who miss deadlines are lazy, arrogant, unprofessional c*cks*ckers who are in no small way responsible for the death of the industry. And the “fans” who support them are braindead elitist morons. A time machine would come in handy, right about now. Go back about fifteen years and shoot all those people who didn’t listen when I predicted the present state of the industry as the natural outcome of what the industry was doing, or starting to do, then. Face it—for the most part, when you say “comic book professional” what you mean is “unprofessional yahoo who is more concerned with making a name for himself and masturbating all his emotionally retarded fans than paying any attention to the history of the titles, the characters, or the work done by other creators.” I repeat, bullshit. Pull your head out of your ass for a moment and look at this not as a long time comic book reader, but as a civilian. This looks like a comic book, feels like a comic book, smells like a comic book, tastes like a comic book. No “uninitiated” person is going to look at this and think “Ah! This lurid cover illustration indicates this book must be intended for mature readers!” They are going to think “Look what they are selling to my children!!”* And those children are going to think “Co-o-o-o-o-o-ol!!!” It's kind of difficult to put into words why I don't like Bob Laytons's inking. This is going to sound really silly, but I actually feel physically ill when I look at Bob's stuff. I really do. It's like everything is greasy and slimy. I will never forgive him for what he did to the Hulk's face in the annual that we did together. A lot of the other stuff I liked, but the Hulk's face, the Angel's face, the Angel, God!I remember my father looking at the stats of the finished inks and there's a shot of the Angel standing there with his hands on his hips saying hello to somebody and my father said, "Well this guy's queer." No, he didn't look queer in the pencils Dad.


You know, I think JB has hacked in.

Anyway, JB, now you are here, I'd just to like to say your old stuff is better than your new stuff.


Edited by shjonescrk (05/10/12 11:04 AM)

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#597519 - 05/10/12 11:09 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: shjonescrk]
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Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
Anyway, JB, now you are here, I'd just to like to say your old stuff is better than your new stuff.


Then you are a complete asshole.

John Byrne is tired of stepping up to the plate. John Byrne is tired of “doing the right thing” and getting f**ked up the ass for his troubles. John Byrne is tired of being lied to. John Byrne is tired of you.




(All actual Byrne quotes to fans, by the way.)

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#597521 - 05/10/12 11:41 AM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Lawson]
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So, you're basically saying that Byrne and Allen are the same, except one has some actual accomplishments backing up his jackassery?

Mike

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#597522 - 05/10/12 12:00 PM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: MBunge]
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Originally Posted By: MBunge
So, you're basically saying that Byrne and Allen are the same?


Not entirely the same, no.

One of them is a grumpy bachelor recluse who spends his days humorlessly screaming at the Interwub about all teh idiots he sees and how teh world is going to hell in a hand-basket and why don't people measure up to his lofty expectations, while he produces nothing of any particular value himself. He'll die unloved, unmourned and, in all likelihood, undiscovered for weeks. Eventually, someone -- a traveling salesman? -- will start to knock on the front door and wrinkle his nose at the foul odor. Then a sad tale will conclude.

The other is John Byrne, who, additionally, drew FANTASTIC FOUR, UNCANNY X-MEN and SUPERMAN.

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#597523 - 05/10/12 12:09 PM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Lawson]
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ouchie.

I've kind of lost the point of this debate, but Whedon and Raimi were somewhat "risky" choices. That is, they had previously only done smaller movies with some of their own style coming through and weren't Chris Columbus or Simon West. I'm sure the success of Tim Burton and Christopher Nolan and Raimi had something to do with the chances given to Whedon. I have no idea what conspiracy Allen's reading into all of this, though.
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#597525 - 05/10/12 12:47 PM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Charles Reece]
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The other is John Byrne, who, additionally, drew FANTASTIC FOUR, UNCANNY X-MEN and SUPERMAN.


And he writes/draws comic books regularly unto this day. There must be a dozen new Next Men comics since 2010, not counting his other series. One doesn't have to like or even read "Next Men" (I don't) to find that respectable.
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#597526 - 05/10/12 12:51 PM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: ChrisW]
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Why? Garbage is easy to produce. Quality matters.
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#597527 - 05/10/12 01:15 PM Re: John Byrne hates Avengers movie he hasn't seen [Re: Charles Reece]
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Originally Posted By: Charles Reece
Why? Garbage is easy to produce. Quality matters.



Byrne's art is pretty far from garbage.

Mike

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