#597690 - 05/13/12 12:40 AM
Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
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I thought this might be of interest... "I was writing the last issue of John Carter when the news came that Marvel had won a lawsuit against the heirs of Jack Kirby and Steve Bissette wrote an very impassioned post about the ethics of working for Marvel under those circumstances. Pretty much then, I figured I should finish the script I was writing and move on.""Another comics writer quits Marvel and DC over ethical concerns..." http://bcool.bz/KfXorT
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#597692 - 05/13/12 02:13 AM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: Joe Lee]
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I already liked Roger Langridge for his work, but now I like the person.
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#597698 - 05/13/12 01:19 PM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: Joe Lee]
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I congratulate anyone for doing what they think is right. I do think it's kind of important to remember that Jack Kirby's biggest problem wasn't that Marvel screwed him. It's that the public no longer wanted to read his work.
Mike
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#597705 - 05/13/12 07:18 PM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: MBunge]
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No, Mike, that's both incorrect and irrelevant.
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#597706 - 05/13/12 07:56 PM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: MBunge]
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I congratulate anyone for doing what they think is right. I do think it's kind of important to remember that Jack Kirby's biggest problem wasn't that Marvel screwed him. It's that the public no longer wanted to read his work.
Mike Yeah but that was only after he'd been in the business for 30+ years, and after he helped created half the Marvel Universe. I'm sure that atleast getting his artwork back would have helped him greatly in his old age.
Edited by Gerald (05/13/12 07:58 PM)
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#597710 - 05/14/12 12:41 AM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: MBunge]
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It's that the public no longer wanted to read his work. I'm with Peter, I wouldn't be so quick to agree agree with your assertion. But all that aside even, it's interesting that both the public wanted to buy, and the publishers still wanted to sell, comics based on his work, his characters and concepts. And they still do today. It's a shame so many people besides Kirby are so easily reaping the rewards even now, from characters an concepts he created, and co-created so many years ago.
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#597736 - 05/14/12 11:46 AM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: Joe Lee]
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It's that the public no longer wanted to read his work. I'm with Peter, I wouldn't be so quick to agree agree with your assertion. But all that aside even, it's interesting that both the public wanted to buy, and the publishers still wanted to sell, comics based on his work, his characters and concepts. And they still do today. It's a shame so many people besides Kirby are so easily reaping the rewards even now, from characters an concepts he created, and co-created so many years ago. The Kirby (and Lee) creations that anyone is interested in these days are ones he created in the early 60s and one he (and Simon) created in the 40s. No one is interested in the Eternals, Captain Victory or Silver Star for instance.
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#597738 - 05/14/12 11:57 AM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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No, Mike, that's both incorrect and irrelevant. While creators love them, I've never seen any evidence the public had any use for Kirby's creations at DC besides Darkseid. When Jack came back to Marvel, he got The Eternals, Devil Dinosaur, Machine Man and Captain America. Again, from what I gather, the sales of those books were relatively poor. And has been mentioned, none of the stuff he did after his second stint at Marvel connected at all with comic buyers of the era. As for irrelevent, I think it is important for people to remember/understand that Jack Kirby is not Siegel and Schuster. If anything, he's closer to a non-curmudegeon version of John Byrne. Mike
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#597739 - 05/14/12 12:04 PM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
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It's that the public no longer wanted to read his work. You mean the comic book he was drawing in any given week in the 1980s or CAPTAIN AMERICA, FANTASTIC FOUR, THE MIGHTY THOR, IRON MAN, THE AVENGERS, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, THE SILVER SURFER and the other work he created over his long career? Me, I can't separate the two. I don't think you can look at Kirby in the 1980s and pronounce him irrelevant just because the taste among fans at that time was for sleek, realistic art in the style of John Byrne and George Perez. The reason you can't is, the largest U.S. publisher of comic books was built in large part on Kirby's work. Later, that publisher sold for $4 billion, again largely because of Kirby. Folks have always wanted to read Kirby's work. Now they're watching it on the movie screen, too.
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#597740 - 05/14/12 12:22 PM
Re: Another quits Marvel/DC over ethics
[Re: Lawson]
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It's that the public no longer wanted to read his work. You mean the comic book he was drawing in any given week in the 1980s or CAPTAIN AMERICA, FANTASTIC FOUR, THE MIGHTY THOR, IRON MAN, THE AVENGERS, THE INCREDIBLE HULK, THE SILVER SURFER and the other work he created over his long career? Me, I can't separate the two. I don't think you can look at Kirby in the 1980s and pronounce him irrelevant just because the taste among fans at that time was for sleek, realistic art in the style of John Byrne and George Perez. The reason you can't is, the largest U.S. publisher of comic books was built in large part on Kirby's work. Later, that publisher sold for $4 billion, again largely because of Kirby. Folks have always wanted to read Kirby's work. Now they're watching it on the movie screen, too. Hold it. 1. I didn't pronounce Kirby irrelevent. 2. Without work for hire, none of the characters you mentioned would have lasted much beyond the 1960s and would never have grown into the cultural icons that made them so highly profitable. Let's not get all Underpants Gnomes here and say... "Step one - Kirby creates. Step two- ??? Step 3 - Profit!" Mike
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