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#597888 - 05/18/12 10:03 PM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
[Re: Joe Lee]
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I haven't seen it yet and I'm emabarassed to say that. I should have seen it by now.
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#597890 - 05/18/12 10:45 PM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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Get on it!
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#597907 - 05/20/12 12:19 AM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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It never occurred to anyone the first BW interrogation scene was foreshadowing? Of what?
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#597911 - 05/20/12 01:34 PM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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It never occurred to anyone the first BW interrogation scene was foreshadowing? Of what? In the first BW interrogation scene, the Russians think they are getting info from her, but she's really getting info from them. She's the prisoner, but she's really in control of the situation. In the BW/Loki interrogation scene, it's more complicated. Loki is the prisoner, but he's really in control of the situation. Except that we eventually see that BW was really playing him all along. Except that Loki really does end up winning that round on some levels anyway. So, foreshadowing, but not an exact parallel, more setting up a pattern which gets built on for more complication later. I hadn't thought of any of that until Joe pointed it out, so thanks, Joe.
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#597922 - 05/21/12 12:24 AM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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So, foreshadowing, but not an exact parallel, more setting up a pattern which gets built on for more complication later. So, not so much foreshadowing, more lowering the expectations for more sloppy writing later.
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#597941 - 05/21/12 06:33 PM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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Sloppy, complex. Tomayto, tomahto.
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#597946 - 05/22/12 09:45 AM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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Except that we eventually see that BW was really playing him all along. Except that Loki really does end up winning that round on some levels anyway. So, foreshadowing, but not an exact parallel, more setting up a pattern which gets built on for more complication later. I think you missed the bigger picture, it wasn't in-exact. The device itself was used for the purpose of misleading. The foreshadowing itself was a red-herring.
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#597951 - 05/22/12 06:07 PM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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The point being that a human was superior at deception than the god of deception. Which is kinda preposterous.
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#597955 - 05/23/12 10:29 AM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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Preposterous? No, it's all too common. Tricksters think the rest of the world are straight men, and often overlook the possibility that others can trick as well.
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#597957 - 05/23/12 12:06 PM
Re: My AVENGERS review (maybe spoilers in discussion)
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First it was the throw away line by Thor that pissed off adoptees, now it's India... "...some Indians are less than pleased with the film's portrayal of Kolkata as little more than a slum. Among them are Bollywood actors, and they're speaking up.
"Kolkata has a rich culture and heritage, and a filmmaker should respect that," said actor Rituparna Sengupta. "There are two scenes about India and they only show slums. It could have been done in better taste."http://blastr.com/2012/05/why-hulks-avengers-introd.phpNow correct me if I'm wrong here, but it wasn't a film about India, why should the film-makers feel obligated to show an entire overview of the country, just because they wanted to have one scene in a poor area of that country? The idea of any one scene or any given character as always being representative of an entire community is ridiculous.
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