If you can find anywhere in the continuity of the Marvel-Movie-Verse where any of that is stated, I'll be more inclined to agree with you.

For the time being, I agree with Joe. Trickery is Loki's tool, not something he created. Loki getting tricked doesn't show us that he's bad at what he does, it shows us how good Black Widow is at what she does.

As for the likes of Batman and Hawkeye, it's clearly been established time and time again that 'regular' humans can fight alongside super powered people. In their world, under their set of rules, it's not preposterous.

Whether his theory on your position is correct or not, how is it an ad hominem?

Why does she need to defect?

Anyway, on the general point being argued here, I agree with Joe and Jimbo - "trickery" isn't Loki's superpower. He isn't inherently more cunning than a human, and he's not infallible. He is (like Asgardians in general) more powerful than non-superpowered humans in a physical sense. But otherwise, he's not innately superior to a human. And he's arrogant, which helped her cause. Also, I don't think that scene required that he not realise that she was trying to con him; it just required that he think that he had successfully turned the tables on her, which in part, he had. The 'red ink' stuff did genuinely surprise and upset her. She just worked with it, rather than losing it.

Even if it was, so what? Does Allen mean that no one can ever be portrayed as smarter than Tony Stark? No one can ever be stronger than the Hulk? No one can ever be a better tactician than Captain America? What kind of amateurish, two-dimensional writing is that? This "no one can trick Loki" thing is nothing more than Allen flailing about for something to criticize.

Mike

Does that make his writing contextually coherent or objectively good? No, it doesn't.

Loki is the God of Trickery. He is the living embodiment of it.

In the context of your generalized disdain for Whedon and his work, it is entirely valid to point out that his writing has been judged by the public and not just found acceptable but been something people have been willing to pay to experience.

The same cannot be said for you, and the reason for that is amply demonstrated in this thread.

Mike

I'd almost tell you to stop embarrassing yourself, Allen, but I know that's futile. The Asgardians, both in the comics and in the movies, are clearly NOT gods in the sense you mean. Or what is Sif the living embodiment of? Hogun? Volstagg?

Mike

Again, if you can find anywhere in the continuity of the Marvel-Movie-Verse where any of that is stated, I'll be more inclined to agree with you.