So, Hollywood Insider Allen Montgomery doesn't know the different between a "story" and a "script"? He's never heard any of the umpteen gagillion complaints from screenwriters about how their original work was rewritten beyond recognition?

Mike

I say again. There was a formula for his movie that the producer and the studio wouldn't allow much deviation from. The most any writer could do would be a little more of this, a little less of that. I've seen several aricles saying that Whedon "panned" Penn's take, but I've yet to see anyone delineate what were the differences between the two.



Edward Norton famously re-wrote Penn's script on that one.

And this is based on what? Chatting with Zak Penn while you were giving him a manicure? Have you ever written a screenplay? A treatment? An outline? Ever rewritten someone else's script?

Where's this formula that required the movie to be 143 minutes long, thereby reducing the number of time it can be shown every day? Where's the formula that said The Black Widow should get more screen time than Thor? Where's the formula that said Bruce Banner, with two disappointing movies under his belt and a third actor portraying him, should get more screen time than Thor? 'Cause I'm pretty sure the makers of a whole bunch of critical and box office bombs would like to know.

Mike

It's okay Joe, I'm screwing with him too, I'm just a lot more subtle about it than he is. Regardless of what Allen may think, it doesn't take someone with mind reading capability to tell he gets quite irate about this sort of thing -one quick skim of his bile filled posts is more than enough to see that.

I can't, and won't, judge Allen's personality outside of the forum -I have no way of knowing what he's like in real life, he may be perfectly pleasant -but on this forum he's miserable, friendless and rude beyond reason. I have been genuinely pleasant toward Allen for years, or just avoided any in-depth discussion with him for this very reason. This time we conversed a little more and, sadly if not predictably, he ended up throwing his toys because because no one agrees with him.

When Allen turned on me in this thread, I decided to have a little fun. He can keep telling to me fuck off or that I don't know how to have a discussion, but honestly I think he was just looking for any opportunity to make another enemy and he found it (or thought he did) when I edited his post.

I don't hate you Al, I don't even dislike you. Your bitter attacks and attempts to start an argument don't work with me, kiddo. I offer you hugs and love in return, every 'fuck off' and jab at my intelligence is another invitation for me to extend the olive branch.

Well, at least you're not saying again the mistake you made about who was given sole "story by" credit. You were wrong, clearly.

when I say "mind reading," I mean ascribing erroneous judgment. I figured you'd understand that — your being so subtle and all — but I'll refrain from making such presumptions in the future.



Wrong on both counts.



More ascribing erroneous judgment. I said what I meant. Your tactic is disingenuous and not conducive to honest discussion.



Good thing that wasn't what I was doing, then.

I said IMDB cedits Penn with the story, Whedon with the screenplay. And it does.

IMDB credits BOTH Penn and Whedon with "the story." You were wrong.

Where's Kevin Feige's "story" credit?




http://io9.com/5909088/joss-whedon-expla...on-the-avengers

How's that relevant to your being wrong about IMDB and the "story by" credit?

If Feige contributed a good deal, whatever the Writer's Guild requirements are, he should've received story credit, too. There is a history of actors and directors not receiving writing credits because of union reasons. It actually works against a director, so his or her contribution is going to be on pretty solid ground when receiving writing credit of any sort.