#598536 - 06/17/12 03:22 AM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Joe Lee]
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And there's another of those ambiguous accusations. Nothing ambiguous about it. Cooke copies from Timm and Caniff. I can't recall reading any interviews with him, but unless he's a total sleazebag(*) I'd be willing to bet he'd even admit it. * like Erik Larsen.
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#598537 - 06/17/12 03:28 AM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Moore claimed he ran across a guide to cult tv that featured "The Architects of Fear" episode, but it was after he wrote the ending Yes, and Gibbons claims to have inadvertantly chosen to include The Grateful Dead's Axoamaoxa without realizing the theme of that issue was mirror images. In Moore's case, he probably saw the Outer Limits one night while he was stoned out of his mind.
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#598545 - 06/17/12 10:43 AM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Cooke copies from Timm and Caniff. I can't recall reading any interviews with him, but unless he's a total sleazebag(*) I'd be willing to bet he'd even admit it. * like Erik Larsen.
In Moore's case, he probably saw the Outer Limits one night while he was stoned out of his mind. So when Moore is influenced by something or, lets say caught "LIFTING" an entire plot from the Outer Limits episode "Architects of Fear," it's merely an innocent coincidence.BUT, when the work of artists like Darwyn Cooke and Erik Larsen show signs they are probably heavily influenced by some great artists, like Alex Toth or Milton Caniff, they are, in your opinion, sleazebags copying elements with no conscience from other artists. That's what allen's saying right?
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#598550 - 06/17/12 11:26 AM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Joe Lee]
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I changed ISP's in January and my personal web space where those images were hosted is now invalid. Why not set up a Deviant Art site like Hunter did, a basic page is free, and there a wide variety artists of varying talent and experience. If you are nervous about criticism, you can turn off the comments. But if you are open to it you might get helpful pointers. allen, I noticed you didn't answer the above question, does that mean you are busily preparing your new DA page?
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#598551 - 06/17/12 11:30 AM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Joe Lee]
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That's what allen's saying right? Allen's saying something again? I hadn't noticed.
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#598555 - 06/17/12 12:30 PM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
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Still waiting for an example of Allen's artwork, so it can be judged against the efforts of an "unoriginal and derivative piece of shit".
Mike
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#598556 - 06/17/12 12:46 PM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
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I don't want to get into the middle of you and Allen, but I do think that anyone who creates art is an artist,* and can reasonably call themselves that. This doesn't entail anything about quality or evaluation (I prefer Cooke's art to Allen's, for example). Likewise, I'd call you a writer and a critic, even if you're not paid a cent for it (something that's getting harder to do these days). I, on the other hand, would not classify myself as a critic and probably not even a reviewer. I'm just some dude who writes reviews. The stuff you do is certainly closer to actual criticsm than my work. And if I ever refer to myself as a writer, it would not be because of my hobby. It would be because of my news job. And of course, I'm just needling Allen because his views on this sort of stuff are not only asinine, but ridicuously arbitrary and absolute for someone who's nothing but a fanboy. Mike
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#598561 - 06/17/12 04:14 PM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Joe Lee]
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So when Moore is influenced by something or, lets say caught "LIFTING" an entire plot from the Outer Limits episode "Architects of Fear," it's merely an innocent coincidence. Have you seen that episode? If not, WalMart has the DVD set of season two for like ten bucks. The plot similarities are from the first few minutes of the show in a boardroom discussion and that's the end of the resemblance. The rest of it is bad melodrama about Robert Culp's fiancee not knowing/understanding what's going on, Culp with no shirt and then some soldiers chasing Culp (I guess that was him) while he's wearing a stupid papier mache mask. There was no giant telepathic squid teleported into New York City. The even more basic underlying idea Watchmen and Architects share is the concept of a false flag (look it up), which is as old as organized warfare. Which you might know if you read Sun Tzu.
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#598562 - 06/17/12 04:19 PM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Why not set up a Deviant Art site like Hunter did, a basic page is free, and there a wide variety artists of varying talent and experience. allen, I noticed you didn't answer the above question I didn't see a question mark, so I didn't realize it was a question that needed answering. does that mean you are busily preparing your new DA page? Nope.
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#598563 - 06/17/12 04:22 PM
Re: BEFORE WATCHMEN: MINUTEMAN #1
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Still waiting for an example of Allen's artwork, so it can be judged against the efforts of an "unoriginal and derivative piece of shit". Still waiting for an explanation as to how a demonstration of my artistic abilities, or lack thereof, would in any way change the fact that Darwyn Cooke overtly emulates the work of Bruce Timm and Milt Caniff.
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