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#599324 - 07/09/12 01:15 PM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: ChrisW]
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Reece is only judging the content of the work. If that's all Ditko has spent his life doing is drawing cartoons, that's entirely another issue. Not surprising you can't separate the two, however. And again... He still spent his whole life doing what he wanted to do How do you know? Was there something in the correspondence with Sim that supports this? The quote I pulled from the Post article seems to indicate he'd rather be doing something else. Probably doubtful he wants to do something more personally rewarding, though. His being a Randian, I'm sure he only means something more lucrative. By which, I mean without having to give any more of his person to the work than what's on the page, as pursuing any Spider-Man glory (and money) would likely entail. "You can't keep the fortune without the fame," and all that.
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#599331 - 07/09/12 02:03 PM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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You all must be worn out from this heated argument. Let me offer a bit of refreshment. http://retrocrush.com/archive/spidey/ Retrocrush has been kind enough to put all 38 or so of Ditko's Spider-Man covers online. I wish they were a bit larger, but you can still see Ditko at what may be his best. If nothing else, the sheer range of visual concepts on display show why the guy is worth arguing about.
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#599374 - 07/10/12 08:59 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: MightyQuin]
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Reece is only judging the content of the work. If he were doing that, he'd be more specific than gesturing vaguely at the last 40 years of Ditko's life and saying "shit" a lot. Naming his art might help, citing pieces of artwork, comparison and contrast, all of these are tools to judge the content of the work. How does this decade of Ditko's work compare with that decade of Ditko's work? Its mere existence en toto causes him to emit one swear word after another like Sonny Corleone discovering that one of the Tattaglias is still loose.
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#599378 - 07/10/12 11:01 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: ChrisW]
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And where did you do any of that?
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#599399 - 07/10/12 09:27 PM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: Charles Reece]
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Any of what? Write a review? Is Ken Parille your pen name or something?
Steve Ditko turns down major media corporations, and they have no choice but to sit back and take it. He's not trying to make money or get famous, he's just quietly doing what he wants to do and lets his work speak for itself. Every leftist fiber of your being screams that it is impossible to do this because the major media corporations are, like, our owners, or something.
For forty years, Ditko has been doing exactly what you claim to be impossible. No wonder you seek to eradicate any trace of him.
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#599402 - 07/11/12 05:13 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: ChrisW]
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He's not trying to make money or get famous I'll grant you the latter, insofar as fame generally involves an encroachment upon one's privacy. He was certainly interested in having enough name recognition in order to find work. As to the former, however, please support your assertion that a known Randian is not interested in making money. He's probably settled into the reality that he can only make a certain amount of money with the type of material he does (plus, he's likely been receiving Social Security payments for almost twenty years now), but as that quote pulled from the NYP seems to indicate, he'd apparently like to make more. Every leftist fiber of your being screams that it is impossible to do this because the major media corporations are, like, our owners, or something. Reece ever said anything like that? Bungee on a bad day, maybe. Ted, sure. But Reece? We rag on your lack of reading comprehension skills, and then you go and prove us right. For forty years, Ditko has been doing exactly what you claim to be impossible. No wonder you seek to eradicate any trace of him. The first sentence seems like a logical extension of your previous assertion, which is based solely on your lack of reading comprehension skills. The second is probably the wildest of your egregious stretches of reality that I've ever witnessed.
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#599406 - 07/11/12 10:24 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Every leftist fiber of your being screams that it is impossible to do this because the major media corporations are, like, our owners, or something. Reece ever said anything like that? Bungee on a bad day, maybe. Ted, sure. I resemble that remark.
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#599408 - 07/11/12 10:43 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: ChrisW]
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For forty years, Ditko has been doing exactly what you claim to be impossible. Not one leftist fiber of my being has any problem believing that it's possible to hunch yourself in a corner beneath a single bare swinging light bulb and fire off crazy screeds about Ayn Rand. In fact, my leftist being frequently chuckles at the fact that you can go to pretty much any hackerspace or libertarian convention, throw a rock, and hit three people who are doing just that. Ditko isn't just believable to liberals; he's a sad and hilarious cliché.
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#599410 - 07/11/12 11:09 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
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You must admit that you are unusually pliant towards our corporate overlords.
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#599411 - 07/11/12 11:33 AM
Re: Steve Ditko speaks
[Re: Allen Montgomery]
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You must admit that you are unusually pliant towards our corporate overlords. My only quibble with the original statement is that I would have referred to all corporate overlords, not just those media ones to whom I am occasionally pliant: "Can you believe those corporate jerks at Disney? They screw creators out of copyright, they buy their own legislation, and now I have to spend an extra day at Disney World every time I go there because they keep making it so damn fun!"
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