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#599181 - 07/05/12 06:38 AM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisW
He successfully spends his time creating exactly what he wants to create.



Originally Posted By: New York Post
Although he could make thousands doing commissions for fans, he consistently refuses. Instead, he forges ahead on black-and-white, self-published books with titles like "The Avenging Mind."

"I do those because that's all they'll let me do," he tells The Post, suggesting publishers aren't interested in his work anymore.
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#599182 - 07/05/12 08:34 AM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Ah, good point.
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#599183 - 07/05/12 08:49 AM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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That has not a lick of relevance to anything we've been talking about.


Yes it does. You're just not smart enough to see it.

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How do you know Ditko's doing what he wants to do -- based on an interview, personal conversation, what? How do you know he's even happy?


The same way you know his work is garbage and he's a nitwit with immoral beliefs.

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One doesn't celebrate bad art because it teaches one what bad art is. That's just stupid. It's just something else to ignore in life. Thanks a lot for that.


I bet you spend very little time being forced against your will to experience Steve Ditko comics when you'd rather be watching a movie. They both (all) have to exist for you to be capable of any comparison or distinction, and to exist, someone has to make them. Those who can budget their time to further making what they want to make over their lives have a natural advantage over those who can't, or won't.


Edited by ChrisW (07/05/12 08:51 AM)
Edit Reason: Something didn't exist, so I had to make it.
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#599189 - 07/05/12 11:08 AM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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They both (all) have to exist for you to be capable of any comparison or distinction, and to exist, someone has to make them. Those who can budget their time to further making what they want to make over their lives have a natural advantage over those who can't, or won't.


So you're a fan of the hardworking Bolsheviks?

Would any of this shit you so love exist if it hadn't been for the nitwit -- that is, Ayn Rand, whose blinkered thought is exactly my problem with said shit? To boil this down for you, Ditko faces the same problem you're leveling at me: he requires the existence of others to do what he does. (If that also sounds like a reason for thinking Randian philosophy is inherently contradictory and immorally stupid, then you'd be a smarter reader than I previously gave you credit for. My guess is that it'll pass right through. Think, Chris, A is A.)

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Yes it does [have "a lick of relevance to anything we've been talking about"]. You're just not smart enough to see it.


By all means, then, explain what Brian Wilson's music and your imagined Robert Johnson's reaction to the Stones have to do with Ditko's art being servile to objectivist propaganda.

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I: "How do you know Ditko's doing what he wants to do?"

Thou: "The same way you know his work is garbage and he's a nitwit with immoral beliefs."


He made a comic about how happy he is?
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#599199 - 07/05/12 12:27 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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So you're a fan of the hardworking Bolsheviks?


You a fan of the hardworking Bolsheviks labor camps?

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Would any of this shit you so love exist if it hadn't been for the nitwit -- that is, Ayn Rand, whose blinkered thought is exactly my problem with said shit?


I don't even look at Steve Ditko's work. I'm just glad he gets to spend his life doing what he wants, creating the comics he wants, and glad his work exists. Why are you so full of bile that you don't recognize something objectively positive like that?

The more bile you spew, the more you make it clear that it's not Ayn Rand's thoughts that are the problem, it's your inability to see what others see. That's on you, not Rand or Ditko or anyone else. Their work and its value exists independent of anything you say or do, regardless of how many swear words and insults you use.

Originally Posted By: Nelson Muntz
Ha-hah!


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To boil this down for you, Ditko faces the same problem you're leveling at me: he requires the existence of others to do what he does.


He pays for their time and effort with the money he creates by making comics. Good thing there are enough people who like his art that he can afford to do so, no? Would you rather he lives his life like Orson Welles, spending decades waiting for someone to give him command of a small army of employees so he can make all the movies he wants at no cost to himself? Ditko puts pen to paper and creates what he wants. Why doesn't he splash "co-creator of Spider-Man" on every cover he draws if he's so desperately needing of others.

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(If that also sounds like a reason for thinking Randian philosophy is inherently contradictory and immorally stupid,


The part that you're not smart enough to see that he's invested his time where he wants and it's paid for his living his whole life? When was the last time you spent eight hours doing exactly what you want to do most with your life?

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then you'd be a smarter reader than I previously gave you credit for. My guess is that it'll pass right through. Think, Chris, A is A.)


How do you recognize A is A without comparing it to B, C, D, F...?

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By all means, then, explain what Brian Wilson's music and your imagined Robert Johnson's reaction to the Stones have to do with Ditko's art being servile to objectivist propaganda.


Brian Wilson spent months developing the middle section of "Good Vibrations", a song which takes three and a half minutes to listen to and most people dismiss because "it's the Beach Boys." It's what he chose to invest his time on and, unlike most months of his life, it still pays off today. Mick and Keef have been together almost twice as long as Robert Johnson was ever alive, but doing his handful of songs gave them a life Sir Jagger never would have found in the London School of Economics. It's what they chose to invest their time in, almost 50 years now.

I also mentioned Carl Barks and Elzie Segar for a reason, because of what *they* invested their time in.

Time is finite. When it's gone, there's no more. How much do you have left and what are you making of what you have?

Obviously if you've actually made something and have a real sense of how much time is expended doing it, your answer will be different than someone who hasn't. It creates a distinction between things which people who sneer at time won't notice.

It's a good thing you've a plenty supply of bile. Me, I'm picking up good vibrations.

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He made a comic about how happy he is?


He wants to make comics. He makes comics. He was doing that five years ago, ten years ago, fifteen years ago, twenty years ago, thirty years ago, forty years ago... When was the last time you spent eight hours doing exactly what you want to do with your life on Earth?
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#599214 - 07/05/12 01:10 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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Brian Wilson spent months developing the middle section of "Good Vibrations", a song which takes three and a half minutes to listen to and most people dismiss because "it's the Beach Boys." It's what he chose to invest his time on and, unlike most months of his life, it still pays off today. Mick and Keef have been together almost twice as long as Robert Johnson was ever alive, but doing his handful of songs gave them a life Sir Jagger never would have found in the London School of Economics. It's what they chose to invest their time in, almost 50 years now.

I also mentioned Carl Barks and Elzie Segar for a reason, because of what *they* invested their time in.

Time is finite. When it's gone, there's no more. How much do you have left and what are you making of what you have?

Obviously if you've actually made something and have a real sense of how much time is expended doing it, your answer will be different than someone who hasn't. It creates a distinction between things which people who sneer at time won't notice.

It's a good thing you've a plenty supply of bile. Me, I'm picking up good vibrations.


So you're a fan of the hardworking Bolsheviks, then.

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How do you recognize A is A without comparing it to B, C, D, F...?


So you agree that Randian thinking is inherently stupid, then.
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#599220 - 07/05/12 01:34 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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Can anybody provide Charles some subtitles?
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#599225 - 07/05/12 01:53 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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What's one day in the life of Ivan Denisovitch? He has 3,652 more, three extra for leap years. No wonder you're so dismissive of other peoples' time.
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#599234 - 07/05/12 06:30 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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If we're delving into Steve Ditko's personal business, the obvious question would be whether or not he receives Social Security (as Ayn Rand did) or has used Medicare.

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#599235 - 07/05/12 07:02 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisW
When was the last time you spent eight hours doing exactly what you want to do with your life on Earth?


Hey, whacking off is a hard job, and to do it 8 hours straight is impossible.

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