#599197 - 07/05/12 12:20 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Charles Reece]
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Yeah, it's a shame that Ted can't see how crummy it is that a fellow creator would use corporate speak to justify going against the wishes of a former pal. What I can't see is how there is any moral ground to consider Moore's wishes. He never cared about other creator's wishes, so what difference does it make whether Wein or any other creator uses a creator's rights or corporate speak argument to criticize Moore. But hey, keep talking about how much of a victim Alan Moore is, since you seem to be doing such a great job convincing yourselves of it.
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#599198 - 07/05/12 12:22 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Ted Kilvington]
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Poor Ted!
Captain Nemo is forever ruined for him.
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#599200 - 07/05/12 12:28 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
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Putting aside the question of Alan Moore's ethics, because Ted won't ever be satisfied on that score, it's depressing that Len Wein's defense of this creatively bankrupt turd is to insist that SOMEONE had to make more WATCHMEN comics, and if it wasn't going to be Moore, it may as well have been him, Jim Lee and Darwyn Cooke.
No.
The flaw in that premise is, we didn't need more WATCHMEN comics.
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#599201 - 07/05/12 12:30 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Lawson]
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Lawson, you have written endless rants against "anal-rape" of all-ages comic characters, so please reconcile your feelings about that with your defense of the writer that had Kid Marvelman/Kid Miracleman, Batgirl, and the Invisible Man forcibly buggered.
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#599202 - 07/05/12 12:34 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Lawson]
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Putting aside the question of Alan Moore's ethics, because Ted won't ever be satisfied on that score, it's depressing that Len Wein's defense of this creatively bankrupt turd is to insist that SOMEONE had to make more WATCHMEN comics, and if it wasn't going to be Moore, it may as well have been him, Jim Lee and Darwyn Cooke.
No.
The flaw in that premise is, we didn't need more WATCHMEN comics. That is correct. This is a cash-grab, as are 90% (roughly) of all corporate comics. My question is whether this is a better alternative to whatever other corporate cash-grab DC could have concocted. The jury is still out on that.
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#599203 - 07/05/12 12:35 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Ted Kilvington]
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Lawson, you have written endless rants against "anal-rape" of all-ages comic characters, so please reconcile your feelings about that with your defense of the writer that had Kid Marvelman/Kid Miracleman, Batgirl, and the Invisible Man forcibly buggered. Holy cow, seriously, Ted? So I have to think A KILLING JOKE was a great comic in order to roll my eyes at DC cranking out a bunch of shameless WATCHMEN sequels? What the hell does one have to do with the other? For what it's worth, I'm not a fan of A KILLING JOKE, though Brian Bolland's art was lovely. I've read that Moore himself has grown dissatisfied with A KILLING JOKE, in large part because of its treatment of Barbara Gordon.
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#599204 - 07/05/12 12:39 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Ted Kilvington]
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This is a cash-grab, as are 90% (roughly) of all corporate comics. WATCHMEN was a stand-alone work -- a completed story -- widely praised as one of the best comics ever. That's not true of most of the Batman and X-Men comics on the shelves. Yes, it's sad to see Marvel crank out a 10th monthly AVENGERS title. But if you don't see the difference between that and a WATCHMEN sequel, then you're beyond my ability to explain it to you.
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#599205 - 07/05/12 12:44 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
[Re: Ted Kilvington]
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What I can't see is how there is any moral ground to consider Moore's wishes. Maybe you should try reading the thousand-odd previous threads about it. Start with this one, where your exact complaint was brought up and addressed a little over two weeks ago. Or... y'know. Keep repeating "BUT HE USES OTHER PEOPLE'S CHARACTERS" over and over and over again. That sounds like more fun. Easier, too.
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#599206 - 07/05/12 12:45 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
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So I have to think A KILLING JOKE was a great comic in order to roll my eyes at DC cranking out a bunch of shameless WATCHMEN sequels? What the hell does one have to do with the other? No, the ethics of one don't correspond to the other, but you were the one making the "Capt. Nemo" joke. So do I have to care about Nemo to criticize Moore?
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#599207 - 07/05/12 12:45 PM
Re: Len Wein: BEFORE WATCHMEN is Alan Moore's fault
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BEFORE WATCHMEN ISN'T A SHAMELESS PIECE OF CORPORATE HACKERY BECAUSE ALAN MOORE USED THE INVISIBLE MAN IN ONE OF HIS COMIC BOOKS, AND ANYWAY, THE DUDE IS FREAKY TO LOOK AT!!!
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