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#599280 - 07/07/12 09:49 AM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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You posted a link to an article, dipstick, and I responded to that article.


"Garbage", "simple-minded", "idiotic religion", "garbage", "makes me sad", "immoral beliefs of a nitwit", "absolute bullshit", "it's just something else to ignore in life..." These are your responses. Apparently you *can't* ignore this in life. That's not healthy.

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If you care to address anything I've actually said, please do.


I've addressed the bile and narcissism that makes you feel your sadness worth expressing. Since there's no content to your expressions, what else is there to respond to?

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Other than that, it's rather condescending that you think so little of the elderly that one shouldn't criticize their views, as if they're just too feeble to think for themselves.


I'm pretty sure you were hurling bile just as much when Ditko was younger. He's spent the intervening time doing what he wants. You, you use the word "stupid" a lot. Um, ok.

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I rank Ditko's thinking above yours if that makes you feel better.


Since Ditko's thinking is "something else to ignore in life" and you have no interest in how artists divide their time, how do you compare the thoughts of complete strangers?

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Read a book when you feel like turning on the radio.


What does that even mean? Should I turn on the radio when I feel like reading a book?

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It'll help you create good things.


Do you know anything about creating anything? The last time I mentioned Robert Johnson on this site, I wrote what became the basis for a short essay appearing on the title page of my new book. A story I wrote in the Gutters once upon a time has been revised to become the only pre-enlistment piece in the book (except for some of the jokes). I'm halfway through the next book (non-fiction) and I've even gotten several thousand words written lately for my next book (fiction) in addition to Taking Care of Business, showing up every day, etc.

Granted I don't spend a lot of time writing "shit", "blinkered thought", "said shit", "inherently contradictory and immorally stupid", "inherently stupid", "numbskull". That's what you're here to write. You have nothing else to offer.

The question still stands, when was the last time you spent eight hours doing exactly what you want to do with your life on Earth?
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#599284 - 07/07/12 11:49 AM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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Typing lines of letters on a page, then paying to have the pages bound in a book doesn't make you worth a shit, just narcissistic, even if you've spent all of your time in that government-subsidized existence thinking really hard about how to craft "all work and no play makes Chris a dull boy." Some of us actually read books in our free time, recognizing that we're no Kant or Marx. You have to be exposed to real thinking to know what it is. That's why Rand is popular with teenagers.

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"Read a book when you feel like turning on the radio."

What does that even mean? Should I turn on the radio when I feel like reading a book?


'if P, then Q' is not the same as 'if Q, then P.'

Consider: 'If you're a rich man, then you have a $100' is true, but 'if you have a $100, then you're a rich man' is not.

Now, you try:

Is 'if you feel like turning on the radio, read a book' the same as your interpretation of 'if you feel like reading a book, turn on the radio'? (Not listening to talk radio will help you here.)
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#599286 - 07/07/12 01:39 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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Typing lines of letters on a page, then paying to have the pages bound in a book doesn't make you worth a shit, just narcissistic, even if you've spent all of your time in that government-subsidized existence thinking really hard about how to craft "all work and no play makes Chris a dull boy." Some of us actually read books in our free time, recognizing that we're no Kant or Marx. You have to be exposed to real thinking to know what it is. That's why Rand is popular with teenagers.


Says the person whose opinion of Steve Ditko wouldn't be the slightest bit different if Ditko had died forty years ago. Does he have any family you want to get rid of too while you're at it?

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'if P, then Q' is not the same as 'if Q, then P.'

Consider: 'If you're a rich man, then you have a $100' is true, but 'if you have a $100, then you're a rich man' is not.

Now, you try:


If neither P nor Q have anything to do with a topic and both are seemingly senseless, then they effectively interchangeable until proven otherwise. The burden of proving "If you feel like turning on the radio, read a book" is not effectively interchangeable from "if you feel like reading a book, turn on the radio" is on you when introducing both concepts to a discussion of time division. You are saying "if you feel like doing one thing, do another" with no justification other than because saying so is the guiding principle of your life at this moment.

Instead of, y'know, saying "good for him" and moving on with your life.

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Is 'if you feel like turning on the radio, read a book' the same as your interpretation of 'if you feel like reading a book, turn on the radio'? (Not listening to talk radio will help you here.)


The answer would have been 'yes' until you throw in 'talk radio' like it has something to do with something. "Radio", "book", "radio", "talk radio", there's no obvious line of connection being drawn for me. When I want radio, I only listen to a handful of music stations on Sirius XM, so I defer to your superior knowledge of it and invite further explanation and elaboration.

I assume there's a lot of talk radio employees you would happily condemn to have died 40 years ago if you could, in addition to Steve Ditko. Just think of how much bile you'd have saved up over those decades.
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#599288 - 07/07/12 02:05 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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Since I feel like I'm tricking a gradeschoolers out of his lunch money, how about we get back on topic:

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Says the person whose opinion of Steve Ditko wouldn't be the slightest bit different if Ditko had died forty years ago.


Has Ditko's artwork improved in 40 years? Have his ideas changed at all? If anything, it's all cruder, blander and more simplistic. It's like looking at the development of communism from Marx to Stalin. I admire Marx, whereas you prefer the hardworking, alpha-masculine Stalin, when the means begin to justify the end, because content doesn't matter (work, work, work, who cares for what?).

How many would you put to death in your love of Ditko's later work? Answer this! My negativity would only take out a radio station, but you would slaughter 15 million. Goober, goober, spittle.
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#599290 - 07/07/12 02:37 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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You can choose to not be negative in the first place. Your view flat-out opposes 40 years of Steve Ditko's existence and negates any validity for disagreement. You don't even have to look at Steve Ditko's work to be positive about it or the fact that he does it because it's what he wants to do or that other people find validity in him doing it.

Anyone else you feel the urge to cleanse from humanity's tabletops while you're at it? Since they don't live their lives exactly the way you want for the reasons you want, and 'live and let live' isn't really your thing. Steve Ditko had to work for forty years to give you something to whine about for forty years but least he supports a society that lets you both prosper. What do you offer that compares? "Shit", "blinkered thought", "said shit", "inherently contradictory and immorally stupid", "inherently stupid", "numbskull", etc.
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#599291 - 07/07/12 03:12 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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As I said, content doesn't matter to you.
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#599292 - 07/07/12 09:42 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: Charles Reece]
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Says the guy whose content is a dozen variations of the word "shit". But at least you diminished 40 years of a man's life in the process, repeatedly, and in ways that many people of common decency would refrain from doing. I guess you're not asked to give a lot of eulogies.
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#599293 - 07/07/12 10:21 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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I just finished writing an obit for someone. The deceased's family asked me to be honest but kind.

Some people are not worthy of kindness in death, others are not worthy of picking of nits upon their passing. Fortunately for me I didn't know the person who passed, so i had to fashion a work from what they reported.

But I have written four obits. 3 people were mostly strangers. Those were easy.

But if Charles is asked by the Ditko next of kin to write an obit, he won't have time to bitch about the man's life, all he can do is pass links to pages of work. There are a shit ton of them and they speak for Ditko's life.

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#599295 - 07/07/12 11:27 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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"But at least you diminished 40 years of a man's life in the process, repeatedly"

I haven't said one thing about the man's life. Just like you, I don't know much about the guy other than the comics he's made and his hand-written statements. All I can say and have said is that the past 40 years of his comics have been terrible due to the cultish influence of an idiotic ideology. You're the one who started all the ad hominem bullshit in this thread. I'm not the one confusing the worth of art with the worth of a human. He's probably a real decent guy to his local barista.
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#599296 - 07/07/12 11:45 PM Re: Steve Ditko speaks [Re: ChrisW]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisW
But at least you diminished 40 years of a man's life in the process

We're talking about Ditko's life only as it relates to the content of the article that YOU posted the link to. I know you read Mark Evanier's blog. He also had some not-entirely-nice things to say about Ditko in light of that same article, and he actually worked with the man.
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