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#599607 - 07/17/12 04:58 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Gerald]
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I'm glad I didn't read 300 before the film. The movie version is much better. Yeah I liked the movie version better as well, though I read the whole thing first, but it didn't bug me, goes along with what you were saying in the other thread. If the movie version is better, most people don't mind any changes or discrepancies from the book or comic.
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#599608 - 07/17/12 05:00 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Joe Lee]
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They had a great line or two of books targeted toward manga fans and women/girls. Did they bother to examine why those lines failed? Did they ever make it past the comic shops?
Probably because it split the consumer based. The traditional comic fans don't want to buy the manga styled titles because they don't consider them the "real" versions of the characters. And there's not enough new readers to keep the experiment afloat. I think that's the problem with DC's Nu52. All the titles look and feel the same and are aimed at a very specific demographic instead of trying appeal to many. Sailor Moon looks very different from Crying Freeman. Yet Teen Titans looks pretty much the same as Batman. I think Marvel's experiments have been more fun than the main titles. Spider-man Loves Mary Jane featured a great manga artist who stayed on for I believe 2 years and never missed a deadline. It was a new take on Spider-man that was a joy to read. I never gave it a chance when it first came out though because I thought it was either too simple or because it wasn't in continuity.
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#599610 - 07/17/12 05:04 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Gerald]
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I have a friend who is pretty closeminded when it comes to anything that can be considered "for geeks." However, he's a huge fan of The Walking Dead. He told me that he's actually interested in reading the comics considering that's where it started. I bought him an issue #5. After reading it he told me he was pretty disappointed. He said the comic was too short, thought I spent too much money, and felt like it was half the story of what a normal episode shows. This must be a recurring obstacle when the comic book industry tries to lure new readers from comics-based movies and TV shows. You see the movie "The Avengers" and you like it. Cool! And there are comic books with these characters? Great! So you search your city for a comics shop. You find The Android's Basement in a half-empty strip mall on a highway bypass near the airport. In you go. Guh, that smell! Whatever. As your eyes get accustomed to the darkness, you find not one comic book version of the Avengers but fully one dozen titles with THE AVENGERS splattered across the cover, most of them now tied in closely to the X-Men, which involves another dozen titles of their own, and all of these are four or five bucks each, and each of them is a tiny fraction of the story and can be read in about eight minutes, and hey, did'ja want the variant covers with that? The movie told you a story. Any one issue of the comic book, costing nearly as much as your movie ticket, will tell you 1/116th of a story, starting halfway through. If Marvel or DC had any sincere interest in winning new readers, they would be winning new readers by now.
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#599613 - 07/17/12 05:09 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Gerald]
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...He said the comic was too short, thought I spent too much money, and felt like it was half the story of what a normal episode shows. I don't think he's alone. The traditional comics format doesn't appeal to a lot of people anymore. They want bigger formats with more pages like manga or Archie digests or trades. I wish they would try a Shogun Jump style, anthology format for alternative genres. It'd have a high enough price point for news stand distribution too. One Horror, one Western, maybe a War book. Maybe a fantasy book. Each full of new stuff and reprint some old stuff, b&w with s couple of color sections for some of the new material up front.
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#599615 - 07/17/12 05:11 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Lawson]
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When I go to the new comic section I see this.
Before Watchmen, Vampirella, Batman, Green Lantern, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, AvX, Warlord of Mars.
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#599616 - 07/17/12 05:15 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Gerald]
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The guy at my LCS talked me into a Warlord of Mars TPB. I was reluctant, the art looked so much like an eighties image youngblood strikefile style, but he swore to me it was as good as the new Flash Gordon stuff. Haven't read it yet.
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#599617 - 07/17/12 05:18 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Joe Lee]
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I don't think he's alone. The traditional comics format doesn't appeal to a lot of people anymore. They want bigger formats with more pages like manga or Archie digests or trades. True. It hurts even more that comic writers and artists tell decompressed stories with 4 widescreen panels per page in a 21 page book. I wish they would try a Shogun Jump style, anthology format for alternative genres. It'd have a high enough price point for news stand distribution too.
I tried Shogun Jump but the stories seemed pretty bland. Like a bunch of Inuyasha's. I've been wanting to get into the new Dark Horse Presents but the $8 price tag is too hefty and the covers never attract me, nor the interior art. The only digest I've bought that I thought was excellent and provided a great amount of content and variety was an old one called PULP. There was like 5 or more stories per issue, black and white, and all different. Currently there's a new EERIE anthology which is quite good. Nice painted cover and some really demented stories with good art. Traditional dimensions but more pages.
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#599619 - 07/17/12 05:23 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Gerald]
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I tried Shogun Jump but the stories seemed pretty bland. Like a bunch of Inuyasha's. Imagine the same format but full of DC's All Star Western or War comics. New and reprinted material.
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#599623 - 07/17/12 05:44 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Joe Lee]
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I think if it was an All-Star anthology that featured more mature Batman, Superman stories (but not graphic violence or nudity) combined with creator owned stories in the western and war genre, that would be awesome.
Weird War Tales from Vertigo was pretty crazy. It had an early Frank Quitely illustrated story that was both sad and strange.
For some reason I'm not that interested in Western comics but it could be because of the art. I do know that Jonah Hex is pretty good, atleast the old stories.
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#599624 - 07/17/12 06:00 PM
Re: BEFORE SANDMAN?
[Re: Joe Lee]
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Maybe someone with marketing and distribution experience at a traditional publishing company, might teach them how to get their books to the right hands. And accept the fact that the Superhero market is already over-saturated.
With Minx, though, DC has taken what, for it, is the unusual step of seeking outside help. It has joined with Alloy Marketing + Media to promote Minx. All told, DC, a unit of Time Warner, will spend $250,000 next year to push the line.
“In terms of consumer marketing, it’s got to be the largest thing we’ve done in at least three decades,” said Paul Levitz, the president and publisher of DC Comics. “It’s not large by the scale of consumer marketing and advertising as it’s done in America, but it’s a large-scale commitment, I think, for a publishing company in general.”
Alloy Entertainment, a division of the marketing company, has helped to make hits of books like “Gossip Girls” and “The Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.” Alloy was also the so-called book packager behind “How Opal Mehta Got Kissed, Got Wild and Got a Life,” a first novel by a 19-year-old Harvard sophomore named Kaavya Viswanathan that was pulled from stores earlier this year when it was learned that numerous passages had been copied from novels by other writers.
Still, Alloy is offering DC access to a large audience of teenage girls, through Web sites and the Delia’s shopping catalog, which has a mailing list of nearly five million, according to Samantha Skey, Alloy’s senior vice president for strategic marketing. Ms. Skey said Minx would be the first graphic novel publisher to be included in the catalog. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/25/arts/design/25minx.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=sloginBut according to Wikipedia they gave it less than two years before shutting it down. The manga imprint went longer but it launched by alienating some fans (manga fans hate when US publishers edit the content) and then the manga boom sort of bust a little.
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