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#600096 - 08/11/12 06:12 AM Romney running mate is Paul Ryan
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Mr. Vouchers-for-Medicare hisself. It's an early Christmas.
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#600097 - 08/11/12 09:03 AM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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If I were running the Obama campaign, I would characterize the Ryan health care plan as "coupon-care".
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#600099 - 08/11/12 01:14 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Ted Kilvington]
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The New Yorker magazine just ran an interesting profile of Paul Ryan. It noted that Ryan's congressional district in Wisconsin is in bad shape economically, but the federal government is -- with Ryan's blessings -- spending many millions of dollars there to improve infrastructure, offer worker training and in general make the place more hospitable for job creation.

The irony was entirely lost on Ryan.

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#600101 - 08/11/12 02:38 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Lawson]
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Ryan will be running for VP and his Congressional seat simultaneously. Apparently, he is facing (for the first time in many cycles) a serious D competitor in the house race... in a district that President Obama carried. That would be pretty delicious to see the Ayn Rand fanboy lose both races.
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#600102 - 08/11/12 03:50 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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What a cop-out!

Pick one government job or the other, Paul. Running to keep your House seat while you run for vice president makes it look like you have no faith in Mitt Romney. Which may be true, but ...

But then Paul Ryan has been in Congress more than a dozen years now, including the eight years of the Bush administration, when he loyally voted for massive spending that we could not afford. He's another entrenched incumbent posing as an outsider and who spends our money recklessly while pretending to be a fiscal hawk.

Congress is full of "free-market conservatives" who would sooner die than give up their government jobs, health care coverage and pensions to take their chances with the rest of us in the private sector.

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#600104 - 08/11/12 05:20 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Lawson]
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He's a good choice for Romney, since he's even further to the right. It makes the choice in the election even starker. And when Obama wins, the Tea Party won't be able to say, "See, Romney was a mistake, the GOP should have chosen somebody even further to the right!"

So they have abandoned any attempt to appeal to independents, moderates, women, or minorities. The Romney strategy is now: fire up the base, and voter suppression.

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#600105 - 08/11/12 05:31 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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I didn't know that about Ryan being able to run for both positions at once. I guess if his state's law allows it, then you can't really blame him.

Oh wait, according to this, he doesn't even get the choice to back out of his House race:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/243227-ryan-can-run-for-house-seat-vp-at-same-time

"The law specifically states that once a candidate is nominated, his or her name has to remain on the ballot except in the case of death.
But if Ryan does make it to the vice presidential mansion, that election would "void the candidate's election to any other office," and a special election would be called."

So, yeah, not his fault in this case.

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#600109 - 08/11/12 09:42 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
Pick one government job or the other, Paul.

On this particular topic, I can't fault Ryan. After all, Biden and Lieberman did the same thing.
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#600110 - 08/11/12 09:45 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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Originally Posted By: Peter Urkowitz
And when Obama wins, the Tea Party won't be able to say, "See, Romney was a mistake, the GOP should have chosen somebody even further to the right!"

Oh, yes, they will. While I hope Ryan will go away after he and Romney lose in November, I'd guess he's going to be a strong contender for the R nomination in 2016.
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#600131 - 08/14/12 11:01 AM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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You guys haven't even considered how hard the "great hair" demo is going to fall for this ticket.
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#600132 - 08/14/12 12:29 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: Lawson
Pick one government job or the other, Paul.

On this particular topic, I can't fault Ryan. After all, Biden and Lieberman did the same thing.


Yeah, and Lloyd Bentsen did it in 1988. He knew full well that Mike Dukakis was going to get clobbered and he didn't want to forfeit his U.S. Senate seat.

I didn't like it then, either.

Pick one office and run for that office. Commit.

With Paul Ryan, there's an additional element of hypocrisy. Ryan is all about the private sector. Fooey on gubmint! Yet Ryan has spent his adult life on Capitol Hill, first as a congressional aide and then as a member of Congress. For himself, he wants the public paycheck, bennies and lovely lifetime pension. For everyone else, it's whatever scraps they can wrest from capitalism.

Ryan doesn't dare drop his House re-election bid to run for vice president. He couldn't bear to live without sucking off the taxpayers. That makes his political philosophy somewhat inconsistent, to say the least.

At least with many of the Democrats -- hey, they love the government.

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#600136 - 08/14/12 09:24 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Lawson]
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I'll bet he didn't pick Christie because of his addictive personality. He may be mister funny and witty in public, but his girth is saying that he's one step away from being buried in a piano case size coffin. Which means they would need consider who the speaker of the house would be in order to see that scenario work. Too much to consider with that type of set up.

Politics aint my strong suit but there's my take.
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#600138 - 08/14/12 10:56 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Budman]
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Ryan is a pretty good VP choice for Romney. His conservative credentionals are questioned because it appears he switches up his stances to whatever electorate he's trying to appeal to. But Ryan is very popoular among Republicans and conservatives, one of the reasons being that he was one of the more vocal and well spoken opponents of Healthcare Reform, which to them was a huge mistake.

Not only that, but he's incredibly articulate, and exceptional speaker, and in an age when the content isn't as important as the delivery, that's a valuable quality.
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#600163 - 08/15/12 09:43 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Gerald]
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Lawson, did you read the article I linked to? Ryan doesn't get to pick one office. He's already on the ballot for his House seat, and the law does not allow him to back out of it.

Not that I disagree with your point that he's spent most of his life in politics and that's somewhat hypocritical. Although even there, he could say that he's fighting to put himself out of a job, but just hasn't accomplished it yet. Like, I dunno, a cop who hates crime but spends his whole life chasing criminals. Whatever, I don't care to really debate that point, I'm just acknowledging that there are two sides there.

But the issue of running for two offices is a red herring. It's not his choice to make, so it doesn't reflect on him in any way.

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#600180 - 08/16/12 09:38 AM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Peter Urkowitz]
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Originally Posted By: Peter Urkowitz
Like, I dunno, a cop who hates crime but spends his whole life chasing criminals.
Nah, he's part of the system he wants to dismantle. Ryan and the anti-gov crowd would be like cops who hate law-enforcement, or teachers who hate schools.


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#600199 - 08/16/12 12:23 PM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Joe Lee]
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As a woman in a man’s world, a Jewish atheist in a country dominated by Christianity and a refugee from a totalitarian state, [Ayn] Rand knew it was not enough to promote individual freedom in the economic realm alone. If Mr. Ryan becomes the next vice president, it wouldn’t be her dream come true, but her nightmare. -- from here
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#600415 - 08/24/12 08:01 AM Re: Romney running mate is Paul Ryan [Re: Charles Reece]
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Saw this on another site: rearrange the letters of "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan" into "My ultimate Ayn Rand porn." Also, remove the vowels from Rience Priebus' name, you're left with RNC PR BS. It's like everything is aligning, if you believe in that sort of thing.
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