Anyway, never a big fan of Kubert as I thought many of those covers he drew in 70s were pretty dire esp. his Kamandi covers and many of them looked rushed to say the least.

Joe Kubert, rip.

PS: In 1976, I was a dumb shit kid from northern VT with two years of college already under my belt, who had never held a Windsor-Newton brush in my hand before Joe (and Dick Giordano) put it there, and who had no realistic hopes of ever working my way into anything approximating the industry.

By 1977, I was actively selling my work to multiple publishing venues.

I'd have never gotten there—or anywhere that followed—without Joe, Muriel, and the Kubert School.

I'd follow that statement with a list of my classmates and subsequent Kubert School alumni who went on to work professionally in diverse industries and fields, but I frankly have neither the time nor the inclination a mere hour after returning from the long drive from New Jersey (where I only yesterday attended the services for the man who opened all the doors of the world to me, and last night stood in and outside his home with others who knew and love Joe and his family) to indulge this "conversation" any further.

Nor do I have the stomach to engage with the likes of Mr. Montgomery or Mr. Lawson any further on anything, period. I guess I should thank you for so succinctly reminding me why I have had little to nothing to do with comicon.com boards for years.

Were this conversation happening even a week from today, perhaps—but this is low, guys. REALLY low.

Shame on you.

Amen.

Wow, shjonescrk, way to redeem the thread.

THREE PAGES of "honorariums" to Joe on this board dedicated to actually demeaning, belittling, and demonizing the man, the artist, and the school is about my limit for one day.

You all have fun stewing in whatever this sad, petty bile is that passes for a discussion board.

Nope. Pointing to facts. Please try to keep up.



Nope. In my opinion, it should have long ago gotten over the stigma of not being an accredited institution by either offering courses that would make them an accredited institution (an anatomy class counts as a science, for example), or work with some other community college to come to the same result. That they still only offer a certificate program, after being criticized over that for so long (I first heard that caveat from Steve Lieber in the early 90's), and for that price, shows that they're not interested in being a serious institution of learning. In my opinion.

Oh, and they need to stop lying about their graduate placement rate.



I don't want to get *too* deep into this part, but... first off, that's your opinion. And secondly, being a good artist doesn't automatically make one a good teacher. That's where that whole accreditation thing comes into play.



Not really, Ms. Rand. Oh, you're not an acolyte of Ayn Rand? Pardon me. That's what you SEEMED like.



Done. Or do you dispute the records of the federal government?



Don't like the message? Shoot the messenger! I expected better from you, Mike. But I guess you are getting old now, so the crotchety old man act must be your thing.

Also, please go to your local college that offers art instruction and ask them to teach you about a thing called FORESHORTENING. You're welcome.

Well, even you must admit that your inking kinda sucks. If it weren't for John Totleben, probably even most of us comics nerds here wouldn't know your name.



Hey, it's great that you feel that way. I'm sure Joe felt the same way about Will Eisner. However, Joe got paid for his work, even when he was thirteen years old. You had to pay Joe, did you not?



That the participants are [mostly] free to speak their minds freely is what I like about Comicon. If you disagree with that, it says more about you than it does us.



But this does remind me that we should look up all the relevant data on CCS.

Speak your mind freely, Mr. Montgomery. I'll not reward or respond to your utter contempt (now directed at myself) any further. Good luck with whatever it is this is that you're doing.

You should be ashamed of yourself, if you are at all capable of shame.

Allen, disgraceful, just outright disgraceful.

Shame is not a word associated with Allen, who spies on his father's doctor at car dealerships, or Lawson, who's taking time from his long-promised Steve Ditko expose that the mainstream media couldn't get.

Joe Kubert was a rock.

For decades and countless pages, he and his work were there, for future generations - family, friends, fans - to build on. His quality and professionalism set the standard high.

I'd noticed quite a few projects, old and new, with his name in the last few years and was glad to see age hadn't slowed his pace. Last time I made the trip for comics'n'books, I bought "The Bible" he did with Sheldon Mayer in 1975. Gorgeous stuff.

Now the rock has gone. RIP.

Allen, stop trolling for arguments, you jackass.

Lawson, Allen's questions are not interesting, they are meant to stir up outrage and get everyone mad so he can engage in pointless pissing contests. Don't fall into that trap.