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#600247 - 08/18/12 07:34 PM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery

Dave Dorman and Eric Shanower are good, sure, but the rest of them range from okay (Morales, Bissette) to bloody awful (Parent, Kubert's sons). I guess Adams couldn't find pictures of the three best: Adam Warren, Tom Yeates and John Totleben.



I guess it's lucky for those guys and their careers that art is subjective.
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#600248 - 08/18/12 09:46 PM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: Charles Reece
One blogger compared Kubert's Before Watchmen work to that coach who covered up pedophilia

As I have made clear here on numerous occasions, I really hate analogies. That being said... link, please.


It was Alan David Doane who did the comparison on his Trouble With Comics blog. He's since taken down the entry.

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#600250 - 08/19/12 02:21 AM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Jimbo]
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Originally Posted By: Jimbo
I guess it's lucky for those guys and their careers that art is subjective.

Quite.
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#600254 - 08/19/12 07:37 AM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Public Account]
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Originally Posted By: Public Account
It was Alan David Doane who did the comparison on his Trouble With Comics blog. He's since taken down the entry.

Yeah, I already figured that out and found a copy of his original remarks. Apparently he was taking a lot of flak from the PC police, as I'm also getting here. I'd say he's a pussy for taking it down, but at least he's not emailing threats of gun violence, I suppose.

Doane's comparing a comic book to covering up child molestation is stupid on its face and breaks down more quickly than most analogies always do. Putting a poor decision made by a commercial artist in the same category as failing to do anything about the serial criminal activity of a sexual predator when one has the power to do so may be a strong indicator of how backwards and hyperbole-prone our Internet culture has become.

On the other hand, Joe Paterno's inaction allowed Jerry Sundusky to commit crimes that only affect a finite number of boys. Once they grow up, go through therapy and get over the horror of having received blowjobs from Sandusky, that problem is done. Joe Kubert actively participated in the perpetration of Before Watchmen, which will now be around forever, always lurking in the shadows to offend an uncountable number of readers into the untold future.



Like I say, I really hate analogies.
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#600255 - 08/19/12 09:25 AM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Having thought about and reviewed my two posts in this thread, I want to apologise for them as this was not the time or place to say what I said.

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#600256 - 08/19/12 11:34 AM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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"Doane's comparing a comic book to covering up child molestation is stupid on its face and breaks down more quickly than most analogies always do."

You don't seem to realize you're analogizing between analogies to claim that analogies always fail.
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#600257 - 08/19/12 08:29 PM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Charles Reece]
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I do realize that, but I thought I'd give it a go anyway. If only for Jolly Joe's sake. Bottom line, though: the argument could be made that what Kubert did is actually worse than what Paterno didn't do.
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#600258 - 08/19/12 08:31 PM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: shjonescrk]
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Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
this was not the time or place to say what I said.

This is a message board, not a funeral service.
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#600268 - 08/20/12 02:06 PM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Originally Posted By: shjonescrk
this was not the time or place to say what I said.

This is a message board, not a funeral service.


I decide of my own free will what is acceptable or not for me to post on a forum or any sort. Sometimes, I think I get it wrong. Having looked at what I said on this occasion, I decided that I should not have posted it.

What you want to post is up to you? If you believe what you are posting in this thread, well good for you. That's your choice. Just as it is my choice to say what I said.

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#600270 - 08/20/12 05:31 PM Re: Joe Kubert R.I.P. [Re: shjonescrk]
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Showing a little judicious circumspection, shjonescrk, is never a bad thing and always to your credit, likewise to Lawson.

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