I rarely refuse to apologize, in this case it was far more about me being offended than "ginning up" the argument.

I don't think you should leave Lawman

I think I should.

Since comicon.com was co-founded by a fellow Kubert School pioneer class classmate (Rick Veitch) and I was part of this board from its first or second week, and this is the only place for ages one could find Rick Trembles and his weekly posts, and this IS a public forum... well, c'mon.

Just in case anyone harbors such misplaced resentments: Considering neither Kubert School nor CCS not being accredited as somehow a detriment—much less a willful act of selfishness/greed/peevishness (or whatever) and hence the basis for personal attacks on the honor, dignity, and careers of either Joe Kubert or James Sturm—reflects a petty and gross misunderstanding of the entire process and product of accreditation, and all it would require of both schools (see http://ope.ed.gov/accreditation/ for more info).

Simply put, accreditation for both schools would require (REQUIRE) dilution of the entire program and focus of both schools, adding classes and entire semesters of work that have nothing whatsoever to do with storytelling and the clearly stated focus of both schools; it would also increase the burden of staff, cost, and duration of both school programs, to absolutely NO benefit in the marketplace the mission of both schools primarily serves.

Like my bro Tim Truman said on Facebook yesterday—and as I've said since 1978—I simply wouldn't have had a career without Joe, Muriel, and the school I was fortunate enough to attend.

I can't speak for Tim, but I can tell you that not once in my 35+ years working in the profession was I ever asked to show proof of my education or my certificate, much less a degree; that only impacted my ability to teach academically, and neither the Kubert School nor CCS pretend to exist to produce teachers with the necessary certification (though CCS offering an MFA does extend graduate school status to our efforts for those students with the necessary prior degrees).

And if teaching is your concern, treating either school as a graduate college is sensible; neither school pretends to be anything except what it is. Why anyone primarily interested in working in comics, graphic novels, publishing, or the industry/field, would care whether a such a focused program was at an accredited institution or not shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what they want and where they're going.

FYI, I was involved with the original process CCS had to go through with the VT Board of Education to pass muster to offer our MFA degree; I know of what I speak.

Furthermore, having attended and graduated from the original Kubert School class, and having taught at CCS since the moment it opened its doors and ever since, I certainly speak from hard-earned experience when addressing matters relevant to both the Kubert School and CCS—both of which I am fortunate, proud, and honored to have been/to be part of.

Finally: To my fellow XQBs and those who care: If you want to do something to express your feelings or help, donations can be made to the Multiple Myeloma Foundation in Joe Kubert's name—
Multiple Myloma Research Foundation (MMRF)
383 Main Avenue 5th floor
Norwalk CT 06851
http://www.themmrf.org
—sympathy cards or notices can be sent to the Kubert family c/o the Kubert School, 37 Myrtle Avenue, Dover, NJ 07801.

In all ways, please, be kind.

That's it—good luck, all.

Quite well, actually. All of my credits transferred to the school I'm currently attending. Although I'm not pursuing an art degree anymore, all I would need to do is the portfolio review course and I could have an Associate's in Visual Arts.

As I have made clear here on numerous occasions, I really hate analogies. That being said... link, please.

I won't.



Don't worry about it. The guy's a spineless chickenshit who won't even respond here himself.

That's exactly what Ness did. Ness is going to get himself into trouble one of these days with his not being able to contain online discussions to the Internet.

Then do it like Will Eisner did for Joe Kubert: hire these kids and PAY THEM to create products for you to market. Neal Adams' Continuity Associates was doing just that five years prior to the founding of the Kubert School.



Total agreeance with you there. That's a large part of the reason why I dropped out of SCAD. I didn't see the value of an art degree, and still don't. However... if I am paying a lot of money to an "art school" and plan to see it through to graduation, then I want an accredited degree to show for all my time and money.



And there you go.

Joe paid us for all work we did on the work programs (Ivan Snyder, on the other hand, was another matter); Joe in fact gifted me with the Scholastic account (WEIRD WORLDS) since I did all but one of the stories during my tenure at the school.

Those of us who continued to work after graduation at Tell-A-Graphics (Joe's studio) were paid, as professionals.

I had no intention of teaching; that came literally decades later. If I want a teaching degree, it's up to me to earn it. What are you blathering about?

Re: Your statement: "...if I am paying a lot of money to an "art school" and plan to see it through to graduation, then I want an accredited degree to show for all my time and money..."

Fine, that's your business; neither JKS or CCS are an "art school," they teach a rarified media of storytelling with unique cirriculums unlike any other in the US (though I hasten to add Tom Hart and Leela Corman's Florida comics college is doing well, and is arguably a third such institution) building on the bedrock of Burne Hogarth's Illustrator's School of the 1940s.

Neither the JKS nor CCS offers accredited degrees, neither ever claimed to—they are, in effect, productive trade schools.

Fine, so move on. Quit making a mountain of out what isn't even a molehill, much less in the manner with which you've done so.

So YOU chose NOT to go to JKS; got it.

Good luck, and hope all is well.

Move on, and plague us no longer with your whatever-it-is bothering you. It clearly has nothing to do with Joe, much less his school, much less his death.

Now, please, just... stop it.

You're being, at best, unkind.

None of this reflects badly on Joe; quite the contrary.

You're making an absolute cunt of yourself.

As one will discover buried deep in the FAQ page. Where it also claims their placement rate is 100%.



His name is on it. As it is also on the list of contributors to Before Watchmen. Sad that had to be one of the last things he did.



I have my fans.

...and Boris Karloff made four bad movies in Mexico before he died, which is too bad since TARGETS would have been the perfect grace note to end a stellar career on. We don't get to pick our exits in the marketplace, and Joe's final projects have yet to see print.

Furthermore, I won't be baited into a conversation about Alan Moore, WATCHMEN, etc. on a thread launched to recognize (and, initially, honor) Joe or, frankly, anywhere online.

You insist upon the last word, fine. As I said, comicon.com's boards went to the trolls too long ago. I've said my piece.

Now you're just being a spectacular cunt.