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#600324 - 08/22/12 03:10 PM The Secret Co-Creator of Batman
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Anyone read this book yet? "Bill, the Boy Wonder: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=40442

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#600328 - 08/22/12 03:35 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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Yes. It's done in picture book format and the writing is very shallow. No context is given for Bob Kane's not crediting Finger in his deal with Vin Sullivan, for probably the most noteworthy example. Ty Templeton's art is difficult to recognize as his, looking a lot like Dave Gibbons' in places, actually.

The afterword is pretty good, but again rather on the thin side. You could easily read the whole book in half an hour. I just read the CBR article and it pretty much gives the whole story of the book, afterword and all.
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#600335 - 08/22/12 04:17 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Anyone besides dick-head?

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#600337 - 08/22/12 04:35 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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You don't have a personal problem against me, no.
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#600338 - 08/22/12 04:39 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
You don't have a personal problem against me, no.
My conclusions come from looking at the facts. grin

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#600339 - 08/22/12 04:41 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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Then link to those facts. As I did with the Kubert school.
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#600341 - 08/22/12 04:52 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Then link to those facts. As I did with the Kubert school.
You want a link to all the evidence that proves you are a dick-head? OK. That's easy. grin

Link:
All the evidence that proves allen is a dick-head.

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#600343 - 08/22/12 05:10 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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That's your opinion. Link to facts. Like government documents showing how much taxpayer money I [don't] receive.
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#600349 - 08/22/12 05:58 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
That's your opinion. Link to facts. Like government documents showing how much taxpayer money I [don't] receive.
I bet that link would hold up in a court of law as all the evidence I need to prove you're a dick-head.

Seriously.

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#600356 - 08/22/12 06:46 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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Let the record show that you are the one who sabotaged this thread.
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#600361 - 08/22/12 10:56 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Let the record show that you are the one who sabotaged this thread.
How do you figure that?

I would have thought asking for someone besides you to contribute to a thread, would be a mark of sanity around here. I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

I didn't even read your opinion of the book, because I don't give a shit what you think.


Edited by Joe Lee (08/22/12 11:14 PM)

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#600365 - 08/23/12 04:09 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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I haven't read the book, but thanks to you I've added it to my wishlist on Amazon. It looks to be a very interesting read. I've heard others talk about Bill Finger & the apparent injustice done to him by Bob Kane. Doesn't paint a positive picture of Mr. Kane at all.

By the way, since Necro doesn't give it a glowing review means it must be pretty good, indeed!

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#600367 - 08/23/12 07:13 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
How do you figure that?

Straight lines are that difficult for you?


Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
I didn't even read your opinion of the book

Yeah, right.
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#600368 - 08/23/12 07:31 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I've heard others talk about Bill Finger & the apparent injustice done to him by Bob Kane. Doesn't paint a positive picture of Mr. Kane at all.

Bob Kane is one of the worst men in the history of comic books. Note my post tag line. He wasn't just a businessman trying to make a buck, he was an artist who screwed other artists, literally traced other artists' work and who knows what else.


Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
By the way, since Necro doesn't give it a glowing review means it must be pretty good, indeed!

My complaint is that it isn't very in-depth. Supposedly Nobleman researched this thing for five years, but what we get as a product of that is a children's picture book. The back cover says it's "A Junior Library Guild Selection," so maybe that's on purpose. A lot of this material has been lost, so even though the life of Bill Finger deserves more coverage than this, maybe this is all Nobleman could wring out of it. Paul Karasik did a great job with the even more obscure Fletcher Hanks in his two books, though. I have not read Nobleman's other book, Boys of Steel: The Creators of Superman, but I would hope it's not as simple as this book.

The page where Kane is showing off "his" Bat-Man to Vin Sullivan and not giving any credit to Finger, and the pages leading up to it, give no indicator of as to why Kane did that. The six-page afterword is nice, but the CBR article paraphrases the whole thing. Even the happy ending. Read both and you'll see what I mean.
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#600371 - 08/23/12 09:26 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
By the way, since Necro doesn't give it a glowing review means it must be pretty good, indeed!
Dammit. That's why I didn't read his post. I didn't want to artificially influence my decision.

Now I've gone an ordered the thing out of spite.

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#600372 - 08/23/12 09:29 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.]
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Originally Posted By: Paul W. Sondersted, Jr.
I haven't read the book, but thanks to you I've added it to my wishlist on Amazon. It looks to be a very interesting read. I've heard others talk about Bill Finger & the apparent injustice done to him by Bob Kane. Doesn't paint a positive picture of Mr. Kane at all.
Yeah, I read an interview with Jerry Robinson a while back where he outlined much of the history of the original working arrangements with everyone working for Kane and the transition to working for DC. If I remember it right, it was really interesting how Kane actually screwed himself out of owning Batman outright. By not listening to the guys when they wanted more money, they went over his head, directly to DC to negotiate.

It was in one of the Two Morrows magazines, (Back-Issue or Alter Ego? Maybe Comic Book Artist, I'll try and dig it up),

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#600375 - 08/23/12 11:19 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
Now I've gone an ordered the thing out of spite.

It's better than Ritchey's Green Lama, I would have to say.
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#602052 - 04/15/13 06:24 AM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Joe Lee]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Lee
I didn't even read your opinion of the book, because I don't give a shit what you think.

Sure is strange how similar your review of the book is to mine, though.
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#602054 - 04/17/13 06:15 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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It's not always about you man. We got a good thing going over there, you've got the whole run of the place here yourself. Why aren't you happy?
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#602058 - 04/17/13 07:37 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Real Hunter, Alll the time.]
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Because you won't go away.
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#602059 - 04/17/13 07:39 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Because you won't go away.


Hey I'm barely here. Most of us HAVE gone away...you're dream is almost a reality.
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#602060 - 04/17/13 07:44 PM Re: The Secret Co-Creator of Batman [Re: Real Hunter, Alll the time.]
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I can't miss you if you won't leave.
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