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#600690 - 08/29/12 11:31 PM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
If you think any parts of Watchmen were boring, you should only be disappointed in yourself. There was absolutely not one extraneous scene or line of dialogue in there. It's a terrific lesson in efficient writing, which some other writers have made a living simply copying (Straczynski, most notably).


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#600691 - 08/29/12 11:31 PM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Jimbo]
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Not really.
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#600692 - 08/29/12 11:41 PM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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#600693 - 08/30/12 08:46 AM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
I would say that experiencing Watchmen as it came out, with that clock counting down on the back cover and the blood running down, definitely added to the overall enjoyment of it. As a singular "graphic novel" (I've always hated that term), it's simply an innovative look at the superhero genre.


I agree. Reading WATCHMEN in its original serial format was a delight.

And a lot of what made Moore so impressive was reading his work at a time when the ideas he was throwing out there were still fresh. I mean, as a kid, I'd thought SWAMP THING was a ho-hum horror comic with nice art by Bernie Wrightson. Then you read some of these stories by this new British guy Alan Moore and, holy jeez, what is this? This is brilliant, this is sophisticated, is this actually published by DC Comics, the same people putting out ALL-STAR SQUADRON and BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS?

For some of the younger guys who started reading comics after, say, the 1990s, they possibly don't realize just how derivative much of the industry became in the face of the 1980s work of Moore and Frank Miller. They've been fed a load of Moore-lite, which can make Moore seem less distinctive, as if there's really any valid comparison between "The Anatomy Lesson" and someone getting ass-raped on the Justice League of America satellite.

And the notion that people thought they could add to Moore's story on WATCHMEN ... good lord.

Anyway, just my rant.


"The Anatomy Lesson" probably my favourite comic all time. Magnificent. The way the tension builds, awesome.

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#600695 - 08/30/12 10:23 AM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Lawson]
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Originally Posted By: Lawson
I agree. Reading WATCHMEN in its original serial format was a delight.


I only found WATCHMEN in trade, though even there the way the individual issues functioned as stand alone chapters in the larger story added immensely to the experience. Today, Moore has the reputation of the genius artiste but a lot of the guy's greatness is in his mastery of more commercial storytelling.

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#600696 - 08/30/12 11:21 AM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: MBunge]
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the guy's greatness is in his mastery of more commercial storytelling.

Oh, yeah, definitely. I was a late joiner to his run on Supreme, but I agree with the reader comments I heard beforehand that all essentially said, "Holy shit! This is what the regular Superman comic should be like every month!" It's not that he's such a genius, it's just that he's not a pandering moron like everyone else.
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#600698 - 08/30/12 04:27 PM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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It helps that Alan Moore reads more than just comic books. He's pretty well read an incorporates real science in some of this stories.
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#600699 - 08/30/12 04:49 PM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Gerald]
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Originally Posted By: Gerald
It helps that Alan Moore reads more than just comic books. He's pretty well read an incorporates real science in some of this stories.


That certainly doesn't hurt, but writing is as much skill as it is talent. There are techniques that can only be mastered and an understanding of the art that can only be achieved through hard work and, frankly, repetition. You can come up with one masterpiece the same way a basketball player can just be "in the zone" one game and score 55 points. Being able to create/perform at a high level consistently is less about ability, though, than the effort put in to learn your craft.

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#600703 - 08/31/12 10:48 AM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: MBunge]
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Wait, why was this flushed??? Who made the stink???
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#600704 - 08/31/12 11:02 AM Re: Before Watchmen hostility [Re: Ted Kilvington]
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And what makes this thread more flush-worthy than one or two others?

At any rate, chalk another one up the Jolly Troll Joe.
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