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#601996 - 04/05/13 11:30 PM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: HouseOfMisterE]
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Interesting. He didn't even read it. That explains his enthusiasm.
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#602045 - 04/12/13 10:00 PM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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And apparently Steve Rude never read even the original Watchmen:

Originally Posted By: Steve Rude
I certainly hadn't heard of this "Dollar Bill", nor had I exactly been keeping up with any of the news regarding DC's re-launch of the Watchmen group.

http://lxng.blogspot.com/2013/02/who-watches-watchdude.html


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#602075 - 04/28/13 05:08 PM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Comedian #6...


Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
I'll guess Azzarello thinks he's going to be clever and tie RFK's assassination to the Comedian as well. Yawn.

Yes. But as usual, the story has to have about a dozen "twists" along the way.

Blake gets kicked out of Vietnam for allegedly inspiring the troops... the North Vietnamese troops... with his antics of slaughtering a village in #5. That's an interesting reversal on the plot of the recent Captain America movie, I suppose, but is Azzarello saying Blake only did it this one time? I always assumed that the event depicted in Watchmen #4, panels 5 and 6 was something Blake had done with some regularity.

This also contradicts the GIGANTIC plot point that Blake was still in Vietnam when Doctor Manhattan arrived there and ended the war (leading me to ask *AGAIN*... how many editors were involved in this shit?). It's just as well, though, since once he gets back to superhero-ing in the States (a clunky and pointless cameo by Rorschach and Nite Owl Dan) he's not wearing a mask and has no scar on his face. (nor even wearing smiley-face makeup as depicted in a previous issue)

G. Gordon Liddy informs Blake there's a CIA plot to assassinate Bobby Kennedy. RFK reverses the latenight break-in routine to tell Blake that he knows about the village incident and that he's going to tell the press. Blake says, no, I'll confess to it and do some jail time. Blake does not tell RFK about the assassination plot. Blake lets brainwashed CIA operative Sirhan Sirhan attempt his mission, but the kid is an amateur with a weak "pea shooter" so Blake kills RFK himself (then presumably never confesses to his village-burning). Oddly, Blake has no blood on his suit as he leaves the Ambassador Hotel — with RFK in a headlock like that and the angle at which he was holding the gun, Blake should not only have blood all over himself, he would have also shot himself in the right bicep.

The story ends with Blake showing remorse by beating his head against the steering wheel of his car, making his own blood drip down on his smiley face button (so original). The underlying error being reinforced here is that Blake did not assassinate his close personal friend JFK, puncuated by a closeup of the lower half of his face, sans scar. Epic fucking fail.

Another interesting point is Liddy's making the point that Nixon wanted to end the war by "winning" it. It's obvious this story was written before the recent revelation that candidate Nixon actually intervened to *continue* the war for political gain. OOPS.


More bland art, toggling between photo reference and careless faking. Jones does the Gibbons 9-panel on only two pages, for seemingly no reason, and then drops out of it in the middle of a scene to revisit the famous pose from Gibbons' Watchmen teaser ad with the Comedian sniping out a window, except this time it's Blake in just his tighty-whiteys. There are several other panels of Blake in his bulging undies. Remember the Jann Jones extramarital manhunter controversy from a few years back? Did Jones' wife cheat on him because he's gay? Bizarre shot selections, at any rate.

Several pages done in grayscale, I guess to indicate black-and-white television footage, but there are numerous panels in that range which couldn't possibly have been shot by a TV camera.


Alt cover by style-less generic nobody, Rafael Albuquerque.
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#602076 - 04/28/13 05:12 PM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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And hopefully that's the end of that. But for some reason, I doubt it.
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#602209 - 06/25/13 09:39 AM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Bleeding Cool says that, this week, DC is releasing the first of the BEFORE WATCHMEN deluxe edition hardcovers.

DC is slapping positive reviews of the project on the back cover, as is traditional.

Unfortunately, not a lot of credible reviewers loved BEFORE WATCHMEN.

So DC got creative in how it cut and spliced the reviews.

To cite a couple of examples ...


What is says on the book:

“It’s hard to resist the notion of Darwyn Cooke and Amanda Conner working together.” - Craveonline

What the review actually said:

"As skeevy as it feels to go ahead with a prequel project against the expressed wishes of the creator of the original masterpiece, the fact remains that some very top-shelf artists are writing and drawing stories based on very familiar and beloved characters, and it's hard to resist the notion of Darwyn Cooke and Amanda Conner working together, even if it's giving us a Silk Spectre miniseries many of us never thought we needed."


What it says on the book:

“Jae Lee’s artwork makes Ozymandias the most visually distinct of the Before Watchmen titles.” - The A.V. Club / The Onion

What the review actually said:

"The plot largely retreads material from Watchmen. Sticking to Moore’s groundwork makes this a stronger entry than Nite Owl, although the emphasis on narration makes the book feel inactive. It’s a classic example of “show, don’t tell,” and it would be nice to see more of the story come out through action between characters rather than an extensive monologue with pictures. Granted, those pictures are breathtaking, and Jae Lee’s artwork makes Ozymandias the most visually distinct of the Before Watchmen titles."

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#602210 - 06/25/13 11:23 AM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Lawson]
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Wow. When you think they can't get any more shameless...
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#602211 - 06/25/13 11:57 AM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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What DC can put on the book:

"Dan DiDio is a champion." - Lawson

What I actually said:

"He doesn't show any ability for writing, editing or publishing comic books, or managing creative talent, or coming up with fresh ideas. But according to local law enforcement, when it comes to having sexual relations with farm animals, Dan DiDio is a champion. Unfortunately, that sort of thing is a felony in every state."

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#602212 - 06/25/13 03:44 PM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Lawson]
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It's a shame that DC would sully the integrity of Before Watchmen by being disrespectful to an author's work like that.
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#602214 - 06/27/13 05:39 AM Re: So, how bad can BEFORE WATCHMEN get? [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Originally Posted By: Allen Montgomery
Wow. When you think they can't get any more shameless...


It is really quite astonishing.

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