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#601840 - 02/01/13 09:04 PM Whine and Complain to Get What You Want...
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http://www.change.org/petitions/cartoon-...animated-series

Yes, it's not the most compelling petition (or even the best proofread), but please sign to let those fat cats at Cartoon Network know you're more frustrated than a bee flicked off a flower.

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#601841 - 02/02/13 05:43 AM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: billybates]
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Is there one to sign in favor of cancelling those shows?
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#601842 - 02/02/13 12:43 PM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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You can start one if you must, but know that Young Justice paid Jack Kirby more in royalties than all the non-Captain America Marvel movies combined (by which I mean anything.)

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#601843 - 02/02/13 10:00 PM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: billybates]
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For what?
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#601844 - 02/03/13 03:00 AM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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They pack the show with royalty-attached characters (seemingly by design). They structured the show so a Kirby character appears in almost every episode. Kirby's estate even got character payments for henchmen as obscure as Bruno "Ugly" Mannheim and Glorious Godfrey has made a cameo in every episode this last season. Characters like The Forever People, the DNAliens, and Klarion were all featured in episodes.

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#601845 - 02/03/13 10:54 AM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: billybates]
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Interesting. I can't seem to find any news stories confirming this, though. Drop a link, please.
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#601848 - 02/03/13 03:16 PM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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Oh, this is all in my head (which is why I said seemingly by design.) It could be that they don't give a hot damn about comic book creators getting a payout, but I'm saying the result of the show are these character royalties. And you know they get the royalty when the "character created by..." credit appears at the end of the show.

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#601850 - 02/03/13 10:57 PM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: billybates]
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Originally Posted By: billybates
Kirby's estate even got character payments

This is the part I want to see a link confirming.
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#601851 - 02/04/13 04:59 AM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: Allen Montgomery]
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A TV writer gets specific royalties for a character they created that recurs in a series...Certain creators made deals with DC so they get a "created by" credit when their character appears in a comic and they get a comic book-sized royalty. Every comic book creator should be getting the TV-proportioned character payment when their "created by" credit appears (in the same way they'd get a toy-proportioned royalty if their credited character were produced as a toy).

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#601856 - 02/04/13 01:52 PM Re: Whine and Complain to Get What You Want... [Re: billybates]
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Originally Posted By: billybates
Every comic book creator should be getting the TV-proportioned character payment when their "created by" credit appears

Ah. So you have no evidence whatsoever that the Kirby estate receives money from the show.
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