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#81406 - 07/04/02 11:50 AM _____________________
Xiroteus Offline
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#81407 - 07/04/02 12:35 PM Re: _____________________
Toyminator Offline
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What do you feel Dc Comics needs to do?


- no crossovers. stories are either in their own books or contained in mini or maxi-series.

- no double-digit storylines.

- lower the price of comics.

- each book is independant of other books (supes, bats)

- two core books max per character (supes and bats, again ... )

- develop some NEW properties.

- remove the Metal-Men mini-series from continuity, bring back Gold and give Magnus back his tacky sport-coat. smile

- bring back Hourman smile

- an 'Mazing Man trade wink

- get Morrison and Waid back.

- write at least one Batman AND Robin story per year. Remember Batman AND Robin?

- get Alan Moore to write Superman.

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#81408 - 07/04/02 01:04 PM Re: _____________________
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Good list toyminator. One I'm gonna add: Make movies.
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#81409 - 07/04/02 01:13 PM Re: _____________________
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A recap page ? wink

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#81410 - 07/04/02 01:55 PM Re: _____________________
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A recap page ? wink


Have you ever read Superman - Exile? This is the last (and I mean last) Superman TP I bought from DC.

It gets mighty annoying reading these issues in trade form when the story is recapped every 22 pages. Most of the book was just recap. At first I thought Marvel's move was just cost cutting, but when you think about how awful these books read together with the recaps, I think it's a good idea.

Now, why they don't put publish a recap page instead of a letter's page, I don't know...

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#81411 - 07/04/02 04:19 PM Re: _____________________
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The only problem DC has is marketing. Creatively, they are just as good as Marvel on a lot of books, and Max isn't even in Vertigo's league in terms of quality.

Marvel sells because they know how to market. There is no other reason.

Any problem you could name about DC titles, I can point to the same problem with Marvel. There are just as many X or Spider titles as there are Bat and Supes. Crossovers actually do sell (though I wish they didn't), and I'm unconvinced that movies really help comic sales beyond a tempray spike, if it even does that.

Although getting a writer like Morrison back (for DCU titles) would be a coup.
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#81412 - 07/04/02 04:36 PM Re: _____________________
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Marvel's just alway's had that "cool factor" over DC. Their book's alway's seem more exciting and lively. DC has alway's published quality stuff, it's just that they need to market better. Although, I do think that at this particular time, Marvel does have a hell of alot more entertaining comic's out than DC. I mean, look at what Marvel has put out in the last few years: Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men, New X-Men, Ennis/Dillion Punisher revamp, Spidey titles revamp...plus a whole lot more, and one of DC's biggest book's to debut recently has been: The Power Company :rolleyes: . Dosen't really compare.

Not to mention the fact that Marvel's TPB program has exploded and DC's has fizzled lately.

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#81413 - 07/04/02 04:42 PM Re: _____________________
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Originally posted by Toyminator:
- no crossovers. stories are either in their own books or contained in mini or maxi-series.


While I think stuff like OWAW and whatever the Joker crossover was called are pretty terrible, the Officer Down and Murderer/Fugitive crossovers have been really good. Crossovers within a line, like the Batman ones work. The intercompany things are a problem.


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- no double-digit storylines.


It's worked for No Man's Land and Murderer/Fugitive.


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- lower the price of comics.


Not gonna happen. Get over it.


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- each book is independant of other books (supes, bats)


Kinda takes away from the idea of the DC Universe, doesn't it?


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- two core books max per character (supes and bats, again ... )


sounds good to me.


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- develop some NEW properties.


They've tried. People don't seem very interested in them.


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- remove the Metal-Men mini-series from continuity, bring back Gold and give Magnus back his tacky sport-coat. smile

- bring back Hourman smile

- an 'Mazing Man trade wink


Might be nice for you but that's not gonna do anything for DC other than have a few more series cancelled after a dozen issues.


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- get Morrison and Waid back.


Isn't that going backwards. Obviously they had good runs but let's not put them back on books. I like what they're doing now.


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- write at least one Batman AND Robin story per year. Remember Batman AND Robin?


Robin #106.


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- get Alan Moore to write Superman.


He did. It was called Supreme.

When it comes down to it DC has never really held my interest. I've followed Superman for a while but after a year or two the concept just gets boring. Batman (the character) has been quite good over the last few years. I don't read all the titles, just the ones that interest me. Everything else has also lost interest for me (ie - GL, JLA) or never peeked my interest at all (ie - Haven, WW)

1) They need to find a way to make JLA good again.

2) Move away from relaunches only die-hard DC fans would care about.

3) Get some decent artists to match the good writers they have.

4) Promote the Vertigo line better (not just in other Vertigo titles).

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#81414 - 07/04/02 04:49 PM Re: _____________________
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1) They need to find a way to make JLA good again.

This is very, very true. JLA was my all-time favorite book during Morrison's run. I was a slobbering fanboy all over that book and that led to me buying just about every JLA related book during those year's. Currently, I haven't bought a new JLA issue in a bout a half a year and have skipped many of the mini-series, one-shot's etc. etc.

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#81415 - 07/04/02 05:50 PM Re: _____________________
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Originally posted by Toyminator:


- no crossovers. stories are either in their own books or contained in mini or maxi-series.

I would completely agree. Swiftmann mentioned the fact that the OWAW and Joker's Last Laugh crossovers "were pretty terrible" while the Batman Fugitive/Murderer & Officer Down were good. On the retail side, it was the exact opposite. We couldn't keep the Joker crossover in stock while sales didn't even change on Batman.

On a whole, even if crossovers help sales in the present, it only frustrates the customer. I've seen many customers quit comics because of crossovers.

Just do story arcs where all you have to buy is one title every month. The crossovers are even horrible for trades because you have a different writer and artist drawing the same story. When will they realize that their sales are decreasing and this could be one of the main reasons.

- no double-digit storylines.

If they feel the need to make such a long story, do it. But release it as $19.95 trade. Trades should never be over $0.10 per page.

- lower the price of comics.

We have not seen a correlation between lower prices and better sales. Origin, a $3.50 comic, has been our best seller so far this year. I was pondering the idea of whether a newspaper stock comic that was $.50 would sell, but I wouldn't risk it if I was a company.

- each book is independant of other books (supes, bats)

This is exactly what Marvel has done.

- two core books max per character (supes and bats, again ... )

I would agree again. Oversaturation of characters hurts sales. They have to find that balance to where they can put out the most amount of books without hurting the other titles.

- develop some NEW properties.

It has not worked in the past, but they are in dire need to pass the torch. I think what is working for Marvel is focusing on villains. Create new villains that represent thing in our culture today. What relevance do many of DC villains have to ideologies, philosophies, or religions in our modern society? I would say none.

- get Morrison and Waid back.

Recognized talent is always good. JLA sales plummeted after Waid left. Now they are turning it into the Justice League of America that cancelled the title. I really enjoyed Justice League of America, but obscure characters didn't help the title in sales.

- get Alan Moore to write Superman.


They need to attach recognized talent to their top tier titles. It doesn't matter if they have better talent than Marvel if people don't recognize their talent as better. Place people who the fans recognize as better on the titles that people view DC as.

An adult superhero line like MAX would be nice. All they have for adults is Vertigo, which is nice, but does not capitalize on their major market, superheroes.

Come out with cheap paperbacks of their reprints. The $49.95 price sticker alienates anyone who isn't already a big fan from purchasing.

Another idea I had is to create a line along the Kingdom Come line. Set it in today's society and implement real time. The heroes would age like normal. The universe would be filled with heroes that were mentored by the original heroes. It would also be filled with villains who turned on their mentors. It would be a real time universe. Get top creators, like Warren Ellis, Grant Morrison, and Mark Waid on it and it would work.

DC definitely has to do something. In our store Marvel sells 14x DC, including Vertigo. Independents outsell DC by 10x. We're located in mall so our crowd is not the traditional comic crowd. And the new comic crowd is not impressed by what they doing. If they don't change soon, there will be no DC in the future.

Thundercats will boost sales and bring some new people into our store. Wildstorm seems to be their bestselling line right now.

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