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BY JENNIFER M. CONTINO

Bob Schreck went out on a limb, giving Cliff Chiang the chance to use a brushy, naturalistic art style for Batman: Golden Streets of Gotham. However after just a few pages it's easy to see how the style really adds to the aesthetics of the project and hard to imagine it being illustrated in any other fashion. This special Elseworld's where it wasn't millionaires Thomas and Martha Wayne who were killed, but poor immigrant workers may be the impetuous that created a hero, but the results just might not be the same. We caught up with artist Cliff Chiang to find out a little about why Gotham's streets are so golden.

THE PULSE: Growing up were you a comics and manga fan? Which ones were favorites?

CLIFF CHIANG: I always knew about comics, but it wasn't until my older brother brought home a bunch that I really got into them. Paul Smith's run on the X-Men really stands out to me. So beautifully designed and told, they were the first comics I read and they'll always be a nostalgic favorite.

THE PULSE: Which comics or manga creators influenced or helped shape the type of artist you wanted to become?

CHIANG: I guess I never really thought about comics as a career until recently, so my professional influences are artists who I probably wouldn't have appreciated as a kid! I love intelligent simplicity, Alex Toth being the finest example, David Mazzuchelli, Frank Robbins. The confidence and panache of Hugo Pratt and Jordi Bernet. The powerful roughness of Jorge Zaffino and Tony Salmons.

Somehow, I found myself working with Walt Simonson, assisting on "Orion", and I learned so much just by watching him work. A crash course in drawing and professionalism. Much of my drawing process is actually derived from his work, and I'll always be grateful for his generosity.

THE PULSE: Illustrating with a brush is a tough task. Which style do you emulate? What equipment do you use to achieve the look and feel?

CHIANG: I use a brush pen, since it leaves me free to just think about the inking without interruptions. I'd like for the inks to look confident and spontaneous, so I try to keep from getting too fancy and over thinking stuff.

THE PULSE: How did you develop the brush style?

CHIANG: It's actually how I first started, messing around with a brush for illustrations in college. It's just a bit more refined now, after seeing how real artists do it!

THE PULSE: What is Batman: Golden Streets of Gotham?

CHIANG: Batman: Golden Streets of Gotham is an Elseworlds set in turn of the century Gotham City. It takes a look at the Batman legend through the lens of history, and asks what it would take for a poor, immigrant worker living in the Lower East Side to become Batman. Who does he fight for, and what kind of hero does he become?

THE PULSE: How did you come to be involved in this project?

CHIANG: They were going for a specific look, and Bob Schreck had seen me work in a more brushy, naturalistic style. Of course, nothing in that style had been published, so it was a bit of a leap of faith for Bob. It turned out to be a good fit, and I'm really grateful the chance to stretch myself a bit.

THE PULSE: How is working on the Batman of an Elseworlds give you more artistic freedom than working on one steeped in DC Comics main reality?

CHIANG: There are a lot of opportunities to redesign characters, and play with the imagery. Because the story is so grounded in real life history, you can also afford to be a bit more abstract with the art. I enjoy drawing real people, their clothing, their environments. All of that can be used to tell the story, though it's rare to see that in comics.

THE PULSE: What made you want to be a part of this project?

CHIANG: The script is fantastic. Jen Van Meter did so much research and has so much love for the story, and that dedication really shone through when I was reading the script. It's a very dense story, and you really get your money's worth.

THE PULSE: What artistic style did you use to illustrate this story? How, if any, did you alter it from previous works so that Jen Van Meter's voice could be heard through the art?

CHIANG: The story demands a more naturalistic tone. With other work, I'd gone for a more stylized look, but Golden Streets needed to feel more authentic. It needed to be dark and textured, specifically because Jen's writing is so natural and impressionistic. There are lots of great, quick scenes, and those needed an observed quality, almost like photojournalism. As a reader, you want to feel like you're actually there.

THE PULSE: What did you like about working with Jen Van Meter? She hasn't done much superhero work before, why should people check out her Batman?

CHIANG: Jen is very careful with her writing. It's very rich with story detail and subtext, so you get a lot of character through simple reactions and dialogue. You can see that quality in her other work, like "Blair Witch" and "Hopeless Savages". If you combine that with an icon like Batman, well, why wouldn't you check it out?

THE PULSE: What elements did you design or create for this Elseworld's?

CHIANG: I designed a few of the main characters, but there's a huge debt to Tommy Lee Edwards (who provided art for part of the book) for establishing wonderful tone and realism. He set the bar really high, and it's an honor to be part of that team.

THE PULSE: How is "the Bat" different from Batman?

CHIANG: Good question! You'll when you read the book.

THE PULSE: What era does this story take place in?

CHIANG: It takes place around 1910. I've always seen Gotham as being the romantic version of New York, and historically, New York was incredibly interesting at that time. Really on the cusp of modernity, so you get this vibrant mix of old and new.

THE PULSE: What inspired the cover you created for this story?

CHIANG: I thought it would be fun to have a comic cover that looked like it may have actually been published at the time of the story. John Workman did a great job on the period titling, and Dave Stewart just blew me away with his colors and effects.

THE PULSE: What was the biggest challenge to working on this Elseworld's tale?

CHIANG: It was especially difficult trying to live up to expectations. The script was so finely tuned and detailed, and I just tried to do it justice. Tommy's pages are also breathtaking, so it was doubly daunting to be placed side to side with them. Somewhere there's a landfill full of pencils I chewed through ...

THE PULSE: What was the most rewarding part to being involved in this project?

CHIANG: It's a very different book, and it was a pleasure being able to throw out a lot of preconceived notions of what an Elseworlds story should read and look like. Early response has been great, so maybe we did something right?

THE PULSE: Which member of the supporting cast did you have the hardest time designing and developing? What made the task so difficult and how do you feel about the finished product?

CHIANG: The Joker villain of the piece was tough. He had to be recognizable and historically accurate, and also break with some of the more traditional Joker elements. Hopefully that'll make more sense when you read the book!

THE PULSE: What other projects are you working on?

CHIANG: I'm currently working with Jason Hall (Pistolwhip: The Yellow Menace) on a five issue miniseries for Vertigo, "Beware the Creeper." It takes place in Paris during the '20s, and is going to be a lot of fun. I've also done work for the last "Grendel: Red, White and Black" series, and there's an upcoming Batman: Black and White story, too, for early next year.



[Editor's Note: To learn more about Gotham's Golden Streets, check out this interview with Jen Van Meter]

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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Conley:
[THE PULSE: Which comics or manga creators influenced or helped shape the type of artist you wanted to become?

CHIANG: I guess I never really thought about comics as a career until recently, so my professional influences are artists who I probably wouldn't have appreciated as a kid! I love intelligent simplicity, Alex Toth being the finest example, David Mazzuchelli, Frank Robbins. The confidence and panache of Hugo Pratt and Jordi Bernet. The powerful roughness of Jorge Zaffino and Tony Salmons.
Somehow, I found myself working with Walt Simonson, assisting on "Orion", and I learned so much just by watching him work. A crash course in drawing and professionalism. Much of my drawing process is actually derived from his work, and I'll always be grateful for his generosity.
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No matter how many times this question may be asked of creators (and I'm sure some creators get sick of answering it), with newer creators such as this one, it's fun to find out where the "roots" of their style may lay.

And Simonson is a great one to teach you the craft.
Thanks for often asking the right questions for curious folks like me.

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What a wonderful package. I'm keeping my eye out for this one. Love the batman designs.

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holy gorgeous!

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Thanx for the great interview, Jennifer! Chiang is one of my very favorite discoveries of the last few years, and I've been anxiously awaiting this project. Those designs and pages look wonderful, and it sounds like Van Meter's given her all to the writing.

It's about time Chiang and his beautiful, expressive art got some attention just like this interview! Thanx again!

Matthew


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His CREEPER series with Jason Hall should ROCK, too!

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Cliff is a wonderfully exciting talent, and I'm thrilled to see this matchup with Jen Van Meter. It's been a long while since I've looked forward to a Batman book this much!

His work is simply gorgeous.

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Wow...shades of Frank Robbins' gorgeous Johnny Hazard work.

This ought to be a beaut.

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His work reminds me a little of Golden Age creators .. esp. the early 30s Batman - when things were a little darker and grim.

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Yep, Jen, I'm definitely down for the upcoming Creeper mini. The final issue of the Grendel: Red, White, & Black should also be a real treat, featuring work by both Chiang AND Farel Dalrymple. And the Batman: Black & White will be another little treat to anticipate...

AND, finally... DC had better wise up and collect into a tpb the terrific Josie Mac: Lost Voices back-up feature in Detective Comics that Chiang did with writer Judd Winick, letterer John Workman, colorist Lee Loughridge, and editor Matt Idelson -- all of whom turned in superlative performances. That was one smart little piece. More effectively dramatic than you might expect from a superhero comic book.

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When I first heard about this project I was planning to preorder it on the strenght of Chiang's art. But when it was solicited, I noticed Tommy Lee Edwards name and thought perhaps he was inking the book, or that Chiang had run into deadline problems and needed help finishing the book. So I didn't order it. Now according to this interview, it seems the book has the artists handling different sections.If that is the case and Cliff Chiang is doing most of the book, I'll try to get my retailer to order me one. Does anyone know if that is the case?
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AND, finally... DC had better wise up and collect into a tpb the terrific Josie Mac: Lost Voices back-up feature in Detective Comics that Chiang did with writer Judd Winick, letterer John Workman, colorist Lee Loughridge, and editor Matt Idelson -- all of whom turned in superlative performances. That was one smart little piece. More effectively dramatic than you might expect from a superhero comic book.

Matthew


I agree this was an excellent story but I don't really see there being a huge market for it as a trade. There's just not enough of a hook to sell it.
Or maybe I'm underestimating the audience.

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Jason,

Edwards began the project, but Chiang not only completed it but indeed did most of the work on it.

I know that Josie isn't the biggest name in the marketplace, but I really want DC to take the chance. Response to the feature on various MBs -- particularly DC's own -- was surprisingly strong for a back-up, and maybe they could play up the Batman angle in the promo or something. The project is certainly worth the risk.

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I second that, Matthew. Great story from some talented folks. If not a trade, I'd like to see DC put out a one-shot.

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Who the heck is this guy? I've never heard of him, and I follow the comics industry pretty closely. Thank God the PULSE is here to let me know about projects like this. Needless to say, I'm definitely going to be purchasing this work. This is the kinda stuff I like to read.

Nice job on the interview, also!

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One thing that did bother me was that Schreck had to go "out on a limb" to allow the artist to use this style. I for one am GLAD it doesn't look like whatever the latest art trend is, and I'm happy that there are still people like Mr. Schreck in the industry today.

To show my support, I'll buy FIVE copies of this book and pass it out to my good friends. Mr Schreck: the limb has SUPPORT.

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quote:
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Jason,

Edwards began the project, but Chiang not only completed it but indeed did most of the work on it.

Matthew


Thanks for the info! I'll definitely try to get.

Jason


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Cliff Chiang - do I remember this guy's name tied to Valiant's The Second Life of Doctor Mirage?

If it's the same guy, I really enjoyed his work back then.

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Since some folks are curious, Chiang's credits include but are certainly not limited to:

*Little Red Cap, in The Big Book of Grimm (p/i, 4 pages) 1999
*Little Red Cap pin-up, in The Big Book of Grimm (p/i, 1 page) 1999
*The Decade of Evel, in The Big Book of the '70's (p/i, 5 pages) 2000
*Emergent, in Flinch #11 (p/i, 4 pages) Apr 2000
*Bitter Fruit, in Swamp Thing Secret Files & Origins #1 (p; Rodney Ramos i, 16 pages) Nov 2000
*John Constantine profile, in Swamp Thing Secret Files & Origins #1 (p/i, 1 page) Nov 2000
*cover, All-Star Archives volume 7 (p/i, 1 page) 2001
*The Dawn of the Golden Age, in Golden Age Secret Files & Origins #1 (p/i, 22 pages) Feb 2001
*Inspiration! (segments), in Wonder Woman: Our Worlds at War #1 (p; Wade von Grawbadger i, 31 whole or near-whole pages) Oct 2001
*In My Life, Part Three: Earthfall (segment), in Martian Manhunter #35 (p; Ray Kryssing i, 2 pages) Oct 2001
*Josie Mac: Lost Voices (10-part serial), in Detective Comics #763-772 (p/i, 80 pages total, 8 per part) Dec 2001 - Sep 2002
*Jose Mac profile, in Guide to the DC Universe 2001-2002 Secret Files & Origins #1 (p/i, 1 page) Feb 2002
*Black Mask profile, in Catwoman Secret Files & Origins #1 (p/i, 1 page) Nov 2002

And I'm probably forgetting something else that I even OWN, but...

And now we've got the Grendel tale due within a month or so, the Elseworlds not too long after that, the Creeper in the sorta-near future, and the Batman B/W planned but apparently not quite scheduled yet...

Matthew


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Matthew,
Thanks for the information!

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